2026-07-07 covid composition
Jul 08, 2026 08:29
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Is there going to be additional ADK support on this call?
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Are production or operations attending?
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
we are asking for them,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so could you wait for just one minute?
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Thank you.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Sorry,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I will ask for face -to -face,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so could you give me one minute more?
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Sorry.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
No problem.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Thanks.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I think Sungho is in here now.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Are we
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
waiting for someone else?
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Sungho
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is from EHS team,
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so he is in here.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
think you can start.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this is the last product composition
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that you sent us.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
As we were asking,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you added the sodium hydroxide and the total volume,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
which I was
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
talking to Ronald yesterday and we both agreed that the sodium hydroxide
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
has to be in the product composition since it's in the final
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formulation.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But the problem with this amount is
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that it's the total amount that you add during the
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH adjustment step and it's
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not the real final amount.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So basically when
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you are bringing up the pH up tonight,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
most of the sodium hydroxide reacts with,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I think you said there was hydrochloric acid in a previous
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step.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So since it's a pH 9,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
all the hydrochloric acid is gone,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so it's okay that it's not in the final problem composition.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But most of the sodium hydroxide as well has reacted.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So we need to report the remaining
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sodium hydroxide.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And for that,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
there is...
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this formula to calculate the remaining sodium hydroxide.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
In this case,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the example here is with hydrochloric acid.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But the calculation is the same.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Instead of calculating the hydrogen ions
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concentration,
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you are calculating the hydroxyls calculation.
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And following this step,
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basically,
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for the hydroxyls is pH 14 minus
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our real pH,
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which is 9.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And then it's the same steps.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So I think I have an example that I was here in Toronto here
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
for the phase with
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the drop size.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So you take the maximum pH minus our pH,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
which in our case is 9,
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and you get 5.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So then you follow the same steps and you get the final
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amount of...
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sodium hydroxide,
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which then,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
if you actually put that in the Excel,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
it turns out to be very
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close to CO.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And the main reason is because if we send
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this product composition to
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A2 to create the SDSs,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that concentration of sodium hydroxide is
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triggering having to add.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
warning of corrosion symbols to our products.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So we really need to calculate
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the real final concentration and not everything that was
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added.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So I think what we need from you is
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to correct this and
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
maybe add a second page with those calculations
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just to show that you do
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add
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2 ,271 grams of sodium hydroxide,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but the real final concentration is whatever
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
your calculations show.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And that's the one that we are reporting to H2,
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the company that makes the SBSs for us.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Does it make sense?
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
understood, but first of all,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I would like to request a response via email confirming
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
whether NAOH can be excluded from
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the pH adjustment solution.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
don't think the NAOH is the solo
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factor influencing pH adjustment.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I agree with simple removing an AOEG,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but calculating is remaining
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
amount does not make sense.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So is it possible to simple remove
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
an AOEG?
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
amount is very small.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but you still need to show why you are removing it.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Because all your
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manufacturing
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formula,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
they all said that you need to add almost
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five liters of 10 molar MOH.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So if you are not adding it to the product composition,
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
where did it go?
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And that's why we are asking you
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to add
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that comment,
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at least saying that as per calculations,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the remaining amount of NOH is close to zero,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so it's excluded.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But at least some kind of rationale of why the
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sodium hydroxide is not there.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yes,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but I think,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
as I said,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
it's not solo vectors.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
It's inclusion,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
it's just one.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but if you have a ph before you add the sodium hydroxide and a ph after
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
adding the sodium hydroxide how does that not give the full picture
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
of before and after and furthermore
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this calculation has not ever been
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performed in any previous composition document
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
yes but it is a scientifically
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
sound way of calculating this and we need to show that
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the sodium hydroxide is coming out of the solution
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
because we can't report it as the full amount that goes in because this
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
isn't the right picture.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Whereas this calculation shows the erection that happens
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
within the full solution going from XPH to YPH.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Can you explain why it's not the full picture?
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
The
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calculation that was on the screen,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is that the final calculation?
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
We can just...
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
applied in the document or it's
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
just...
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
What does your procedure in EDK tell you to do and how to do these calculations?
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
confirmed that this exact
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
calculation for an AOA is the first time.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah, I understand that,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but what does it tell you about pH adjustments,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
acid bases?
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Does it tell you to adjust them in countenance water,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
or what does your procedure tell you to do?
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Does it give you any guidance?
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I just want to make sure that we're not doing something
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
against the procedure you guys.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
understand that there is not an ADCAPE specific procedure on product
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
composition.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay, doesn't exist at the moment.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
That's my understanding,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and that there's a BU one that's being rolled out.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
This one doesn't explicitly go against the BU one.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
The BU one says,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you know, if the pH is above and
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
below, but it doesn't actually go into the requirements and calculations for
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH adjusters,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
acids and bases,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and how we're absorbed into a solution.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So I think that's another suggestion that Alberto...
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
stuck on board that the procedure will need to be updated moving
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
forward to incorporate these kind of calculations because it doesn't make sense
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that we're reporting you know these acids and bases used
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that are not actually reflective um of
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
watching the final solution and applying labeling which this will drive us to do that's
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
not really accurate um so
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Moving forward,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I think Amy is off,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
maybe Amy's back,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but I think those conversations are going to happen about updating the BU procedure.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But for now,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
my understanding,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Ellie, was that ADK don't have a procedure for this,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but you can correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you're correct.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So we will have to follow the BU procedure moving forward.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So then if we don't have a procedure,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
then it's up to us.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
as a team to decide how we're going to do the calculations and rationalize what we've done so as long
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
as we're documenting what we've done and why we've done what we've done we should be okay correct
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
okay okay
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
um double confirming with some whole uh we didn't have
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
a um
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
like formal procedure for ADK,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
correct?
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yes,
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and historically,
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH adjustment solutions have not
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
been reflected in the BOM.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
That
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is the point.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
The BOM isn't the go -to for the product composition.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Product composition is a combination of what's in the bomb and the manufacturing records,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and everything needs to be accounted,
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
not just what's in the bomb.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And Andrea,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I agree with Andrea.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So for
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
now, the ask is to include the sodium hydroxide
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
in the composition,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is it correct?
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
The corrected amount,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the actual remaining sodium hydroxide
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
quantity, and not the full amount that is added.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Alberto, can you show the updated calculations there on the screen,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the one that you sent on to...
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this one here.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so I did my own calculation and it will sort of be
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
like a 0 .382
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
grams of sodium hydroxyurea less in the solution
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
after reacting to bring up the pH 29,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
which then concentration
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
-wise is...
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So what ADK used to do is to apply these final
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
numbers in the file and sign off again,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is it?
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
If you have the calculation done,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
can you put an asterisk next to the sodium hydroxide
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
there and just create a note section in that product composition and just include
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the calculation?
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and just explain it there.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But it does,
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you know,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the Gova team can support with that,
17:43
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but this is an ADK document,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so it needs to be owned by ADK,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
reviewed and approved by ADK.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
It's not just a case of signing off.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
what we said to change it.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So if there is any concerns once this is reviewed,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
if you can let us know.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But we'll do what we can to move it along
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and help.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
But ADK are the design owners of
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this product.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Can I ask a
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
relationship question on the calculation?
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Did you say that the sodium hydroxide reacts to the sodium chloride?
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
We say
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I look like acid.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Oh,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
there's hydrochloric acid somewhere here,
18:28
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
two years or something?
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So it's the sodium chloride line,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is it? I guess part
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
of the sodium chloride of this here is basically the sodium
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
hydroxide reacting with the hydrochloric acid.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
do we adjust the sodium chloride line then,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
no? I don't know if they did it or not.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
sodium chloride shown here is not considering the acid adjustment,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH adjustment,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so we need to recalculate them.
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And the
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
manufacturing formula,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
do we add both sodium chloride?
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
or sodium hydroxide and the
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
uh are we adding both no need
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
because the ph is nine it's nice so as per
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
these the ph is seven there are no acids okay
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so we don't need to adjust okay sorry no follow making sure we have
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Speaker 8 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
done the right so it's just to calculate
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that myonium sodium hydroxide because something basically
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
has reacted with wherever the aesthetic solution
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
is up there okay
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So, I was thinking of something like this,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
like you put an asterisk on the sodium hydroxide and they are not,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
they remain in any way it was calculated as follows.
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And it's only three lines of
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
calculations brief,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so if you just put it down there,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
it should be enough.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yep,
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and we review and get back to you with like whether we
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
agree or not,
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and then if you agree,
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
then we just resign.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the competition and send it over to you.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
please.
20:36
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay.
20:37
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And could you share this
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
calculating method or hire?
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I send them to,
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I don't know if you went on the phone.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I
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Speaker 3 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
send them there.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And it's
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
based off.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the Abbott core diagnostic process.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So it is an established process within Abbott to do
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
this calculation.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I think they're just further advanced in this process than we are.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So it's a learning for everyone.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Ali,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so for this,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
if Alberto can get this out after this call,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
when can it be reviewed and signed off by the ADK
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
team? We're under significant time pressure for this.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
yeah it's already evening on roof trying to uh
21:40
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
i'll talk to someone i mean i need to find like who
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
who is responsible for reviewing the adulation whoever
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
signed off the first one there we have the names on the original
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
one so i presume we're sending that out to those
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
ones to roberto if you can just make sure you probably have done it already but whoever's signed
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
off the original attachment if we can include them
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
on the email um yeah please
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
send the request email uh we'll try to get back to
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you like morning tomorrow and
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
then if we have agreement if
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you can circle it down to docu -sign because we will need
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
to find one if soon as possible as well to move forward with our internal documentation
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
okay yeah thank you
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
From my perspective,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
sorry,
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
go on before we move topics.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah, no,
22:49
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
go on before we move topics.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
It's fine.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yes,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
in addition,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
for other products,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the quantity is simply listed in QS.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So, only production department would know whether the
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
quantity was recorded before or after build
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
-off spec.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
The
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
pH adjustment solution is we don't know after
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
or whether after or
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
before. It needs to be a collaborative effort,
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
so if you don't know,
23:36
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you need to talk to manufacturing and establish that.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Can you have access to the documents,
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the manufacturing documents,
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
to talk with your manufacturing team?
23:45
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yes,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
only manufacturing teams know that.
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So you can talk with them
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Speaker 6 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
and establish the correct procedure?
23:56
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yes,
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
but you need to start with TPS
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
team. What's this before
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
or after?
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I think the expectation here is that it is
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
a cross -functional effort.
24:36
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I've said multiple times that the information needs to come
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
from the materials and the manufacturing documentation and that's what
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
the Galway team has been requesting.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
looked at too as part of this.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
So if there needs to be an additional signature on the product
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
composition to support that manufacturing
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
operations review,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
then if you can add the appropriate person to that,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
that'd be great.
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
And let us know who that person is if they're not already on the signature list
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
for the previous version.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
It's hard to be quick, but we'll try.
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
I don't see the last one is operations.
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Speaker 4 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Well,
25:58
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
yeah.
25:58
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Speaker 7 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay.
25:59
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
you let us know,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Ali, if that's okay,
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Speaker 1 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
because we don't know who the correct people in ADK are for this document.
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Speaker 5 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Okay.
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Speaker 2 (2026-07-07 covid composition)
Thank you.
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