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Hello there's only a few of us in the chat session and
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I think that might be because this
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is a funny session isn't it where immediately after
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you've submitted your proposal so there's
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a natural opportunity here to take a break from the module isn't
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there really when you wait for my marks and
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feedback on your proposal and I'm very
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aware of that I've taken a look through the proposals
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that I've received and just in a relaxed way
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not marking any of them just having a look to see what people have
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submitted and work all looks very good I haven't seen any proposal
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yet there isn't a good idea means everyone has
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identified a problem that I think could be
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solved with the assistance
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of software for a client that i'm able to imagine
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so across the board i mean i've looked at
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over half the proposals um across the
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board people seem to have have made a good start so
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well done you now um i'll
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try and mark these proposals quickly i've got three weeks
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really um
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The deadline is towards the end of April for me,
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but that means if I don't mark them by the end
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of April, someone will have something to say about it.
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But I will do.
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And my ambition is to get the proposals
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marked.
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This week,
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now that's a big ambition for me because I can't
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return any marks proposal until I've
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marked them all.
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So I have to mark them all and then hit a
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button and they go flying out into the world.
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And there's quite a lot.
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But I have got a week here leading up to Easter
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with nothing else to do.
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you know apart from make easter cakes and things like that
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and potter about in the garden in the spring sunshine
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which is lovely today by the way in the uk um
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so i may get them done it may be that this time next
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week when i come to this chat session i'll be able to proudly say um
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that you will have received your proposal back with
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feedback.
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But if not,
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it will be the week after.
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It will be by the week after.
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Now,
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what to do in this session?
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Well,
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this morning I went through the slides in this present.
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I'm going to have to let my dog into this room.
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She's barking at the door.
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Hang on.
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I see
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her over there somewhere.
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i don't let's not make this a long session then the um unless
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you have lots of questions in which case um you know i'll try to answer those but
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um in this morning's session i went through some slides the
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slides that i have here and i took a few questions
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about them but really i was just talking in general terms about
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how you move on from the proposal towards the interim report
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We'll talk about this in more detail next week.
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So next week I will look at some example interim
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reports.
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and the marking scheme you know and the guidelines
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and talk about those things in more detail and it may
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be that the recording of that chat session and the recording of
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this one will be useful to you in a few weeks time later
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on in the year when you're approaching the deadline for the interim report
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you may find it interesting to go back to the recording and
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see what I said here
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today and next week.
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But the slides for this presentation
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I'll make available on the VLE so you may
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not even feel the need to view the chat session
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if the slides seem to explain themselves.
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God, slides never do that,
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do they?
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But sometimes,
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you know, the things that I add to the slides in the
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chat session are not essential,
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not essential listening.
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So just let me spend a few minutes,
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just a few minutes going through these slides,
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in which I'm talking about how we're moving now.
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After you've received your feedback
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and your marks,
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for the proposal,
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you'll want to think about moving on to the interim report.
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And what that means is moving away from thinking about what it
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is that you plan to do as you did in the proposal.
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into thinking and discussing and explaining what
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you have done and what you're going to do next so
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what will have happened by the time you submit the interim report
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is that you will have done some development and
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a significant part of the interim report is you discussing
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that development work so do you see
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in terms of the
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the style of the report and the the way that you write
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there's a shift away from you explaining what
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your intentions are to you providing evidence of
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the work that you have done so
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I'm the marker for the interim report and when I look at the report,
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I'm following a marking scheme,
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which we'll discuss next week.
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What am I looking for?
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What does the marking scheme ask me to think about?
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Well,
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first of all, I'm looking to see that there's evidence of
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progress,
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that things have happened since you submitted the proposal.
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I'm also looking,
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because of the academic nature of these reports,
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to see that you have paid attention to the work
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of other people and applied that
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in the practice of your own work.
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So,
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for example...
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One kind of research is to read around
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the subject.
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You may read around the subject and if the subject is something like
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e -commerce or time management,
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then there are things written about that subject.
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That's one kind of research.
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Another kind of research is into the most appropriate software
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tools that you would use to help build the solution.
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And then there's the research you might undertake into project
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life cycles,
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testing approaches,
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all of that type of thing.
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And another kind of research is that you look on the internet,
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say, to see if you can find products
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that are similar to the thing that you're proposing
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to develop.
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For example,
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if it was a library management application,
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you may wish to take a look at websites for library management
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software systems and see what functionality they
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typically offer and so on and so on.
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And all that would be a kind of research,
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wouldn't it?
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Background research.
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And you should...
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In the interim report,
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begin to build a bibliography.
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You may only have three or four references in the bibliography
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in the interim report,
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but it will grow when you get to the final report.
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And the bibliography is there to help someone else
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go and see the resources that
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inspired you.
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So if there were websites,
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the URL of the website,
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if it was a book.
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then details of the book if it was an academic paper or an
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online course you know it was something in the bibliography
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that would allow the reader to go and take a look at that inspiring
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resource for themselves the other
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thing is this idea of you constantly talking about what
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you're learning from working on the project what problems
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you've encountered and how you solve them
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Yeah, and sometimes that means being
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honest about solutions that you have tried that didn't
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work.
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Things that if this was an industrial project
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would just be lost,
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but you can sort of talk about them in terms of what you learned.
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Now,
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one of the things that you will learn really inevitably on a project like this
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is how to plan your time.
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Now, this is this week's topic,
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isn't it, for the lecture,
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this idea of project management,
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what a big subject area project management is nowadays.
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And this is typically in organisations where there'll
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be a team of developers working together
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and the project manager will be responsible for organising
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the work of the team,
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setting deadlines so that...
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one team member has finished a task before
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another one begins the next task or whatever you know organizing
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it and also working out how much time is needed and
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how much money would be required
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So project management is a very important job.
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I'm very well paid.
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Lots of people get a good career out of being project
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managers.
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And it seems to be one of those jobs,
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by the way,
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that people who've become a project manager in one area are
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able to go and become a project manager in another industry
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often.
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project management is seen to be something that's a little bit separate from
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the work that the team are actually undertaking
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okay so enough
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about that for now what will
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happen in the writing of your report is that there are a number of things that
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you will try to do one is you'll be refining
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Your proposal you'll be expanding on the ideas
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that you introduced Maybe drawing on some feedback that you
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receive from me Maybe just
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because you're starting to progress with the project you get
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a deeper sort of understanding of exactly what it is
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that you have let yourself in for so the important thing is that you show
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this deeper understanding you in this report
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show what it is that you have learned since
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you wrote the proposal and how your thinking has
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improved so you're explicitly telling this story of how how
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much progress you have made
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So the call marks for the interim report will rotate around the idea
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of you identifying requirements.
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Now you may do that with a use case diagram,
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the subject of last week's lecture.
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You're beginning to think about analysis
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and design.
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One thing I was saying this morning is you can sometimes identify
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the point at which you move from analysis and
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into design.
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So sometimes on a project,
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there's a period at the beginning where you have to spend some time understanding
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the business that you're working in.
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And that's systems analysis,
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isn't it,
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when you're trying to understand the business.
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When you choose a use case diagram,
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you're sort of doing systems analysis.
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But you're right on the border of...
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design because the use case diagram is a statement
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of what a software system will do which is the very beginning
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of designing that software system but certainly
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if you develop a use case using scenario
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analysis you're explicitly thinking about a
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dialogue between you and the system or the user and the system and
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that's the that's a design
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consideration and you then produce wireframes to
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give a sense of what the user interface would look like which
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you may produce just with pen and paper that's definitely design
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isn't it so you're crossing over from analysis and into
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design and possibly thinking about prototypes
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now the prototypes I'm thinking about here would typically be if
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you include any in the interim report
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then they may be just wireframes simple wireframes
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low fidelity wireframes we often say could be produced
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using a wireframe tool like PowerPoint
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Powerpoint has got storyboarding features,
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but there are lots of other software tools that are freely available,
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Balsamiq and other ones that would allow
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you to produce a very simple wireframe of a user
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interface.
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Now,
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I think I would expect in the interim report that most
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people would include a use case diagram and
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that some people
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would produce wireframes,
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but it's not,
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the judgment involved in this is
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yours.
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How complicated is your use case diagram?
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If it's very complicated,
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then perhaps you don't.
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progress to wireframes but if it's a simple use case diagram
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we say half a dozen use cases it would seem sensible to push
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a bit further and identify the most important use case
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document it with scenario analysis and some initial
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wireframes right
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So, good question here about do we include text from the initial
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report in the interim report?
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Now,
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there's two answers to that question and one of them is yes and the other one is no.
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I think yes is the most honest answer because
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I see the interim report as a
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developed version of the proposal.
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Right,
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so I see that the project proposal
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well you know will be marked and you'll be receiving feedback and
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then developing it further the big the big developments as i've
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said will be that you will begin to design something
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say with a use case diagram and that gets included
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in the interim report and you may begin um yeah
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to think about the database design as
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well maybe um so
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some of the original proposal will
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still be relevant to the discussion saying the proposal
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you will have done some background to the project so
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your interim report will have a longer background section but
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it could be the same the same
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background that arrived in the
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that was submitted in the proposal with some extra words you
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know with an expansion so that the background section is longer then
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maybe refers to more papers in the bibliography and
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that might be because
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in the feedback I say you could add this to the
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background section or something so when you say do we include text
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from the initial report you certainly don't have to do it but
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it might just happen naturally it might be because in the initial project
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report you talked about the background to the project and the technical
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challenges of the project and these are still things that you'll be talking
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about in the interim report so why would you completely
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ignore what you'd said before the thing is to perhaps say
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again but to expand on it and say more i've
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got this thing here about um an explanation
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at the end there where you say explain what it is you've done why you
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did it what the result was
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keep talking about use case diagrams but you can imagine saying
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what you did was to develop a use case diagram and explain why
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you did it and then show the use case diagram as
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your results um similar
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with a database design you know you you can say what i did was
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to begin to design a database with a class
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diagram and then what here is that class diagram
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and then
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talk about how you would then further develop it into a
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detailed database design so when it comes to evidence
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of the work you've done in the proposal you
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would use language like I plan to do this in
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the interim report I would expect you to
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say more like I did this so I
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didn't I plan to do this but no
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I developed this and this,
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what was this?
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Well,
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it could be a diagram,
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could be a work breakdown structure,
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could be a SWOT analysis,
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a Gantt chart,
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could be a use case diagram,
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what have you.
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Could be mocked up screenshots,
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could be the beginnings of a database design.
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But things that you've actually built,
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as it were,
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you know, things that you've created that you're presenting as part of your
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development activity.
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When it comes to the planning,
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you would have had some kind of plan in your initial
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proposal.
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However simple it was,
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there'd be some kind of plan.
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And now when you get into the interim report,
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some things have happened.
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One thing that's happened is you've had your proposal marked.
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Another thing that
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has happened is that you have begun to work on the developments of the system.
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You've reacted to feedback.
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So things are moving on.
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So you're in a position to look
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back at the original plan and to say how
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things are working out.
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practice right so
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this can be a very interesting discussion
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it's a discussion about project management really
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isn't it and often with a project like this the
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story would be you thought that it would be easy but it turned
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out to be quite hard and things took longer than you expected
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so you had to change the plan
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And that gives you an opportunity to talk about project management and about what
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you've learned.
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So that was this week's lecture topic,
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wasn't it?
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The
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marking scheme encourages you,
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because it's an academic report,
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to constantly talk about the things that you're learning while
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you're working on the project.
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Well,
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when you've learned something,
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it sort of manifests in one of two ways,
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isn't it?
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You now have knowledge that you didn't have before.
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So you understand something now that you didn't understand
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before.
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Or you have developed skills.
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So there are now things that you can do that you weren't
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able to do before.
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So typically,
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so I'm just going to pick the time management application
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as an example.
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You can gain knowledge about time management
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by reading about time management.
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how to organize time effectively that
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would be understanding wouldn't
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it be knowledge to build the type
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management application you may use a database management system and
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working with that database management system requires certain
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skills so acquiring skills in working with that software
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too
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Now, a good way to present this in the report,
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to make it very clear,
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is to just have a series of bullet points,
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the things that you think you've learned,
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and then along with a short description of that,
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an explanation of why that was of value to you.
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Yes,
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okay,
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so as you see,
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on the VLE,
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it doesn't show lectures or live sessions after the 4th of April.
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Yes,
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I should explain.
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These sessions are recorded and there are six of them.
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So the idea is in those six sessions,
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there's two more after this,
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next week and the week after,
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there are then no more chat sessions or
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no more lectures.
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The idea is we get to the point where you can then continue working on
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the project without a weekly class
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meeting like this.
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You can,
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of course,
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continue to ask questions and to send emails and you can view
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recordings of the chat sessions that we've had and in fact we
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can have more chat sessions and if they seem to
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be useful they're easy to set up and
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We could have a chat session some weeks after you've submitted your
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interim report,
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for example.
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But there are non -scheduled.
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So there are only six as part of the module.
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Two more after this week,
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scheduled.
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lectures and scheduled chat sessions after
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that everything that you need to know has sort of been covered and
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where you go next is to work on putting it into
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practice right
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so there is this thing about an
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academic report and having to show the background
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research that you have undertaken
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So there's a way of doing that,
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isn't there?
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You can read about user interface design.
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Good principles of user interface design,
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let's say.
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You could just explain what they are.
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What you then sort of want to do is explain how
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knowing about these things has influenced your
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design decisions.
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Yeah, I can't remember the dates exactly,
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but after the interim report,
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there's a long period of time when you're working on the project
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before the final report deadline.
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This is what is being asked.
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But the deadlines will be clear in the
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VLE,
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the assessment.
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area at the bottom of the page okay so
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yeah so we have the six weeks of the lectures
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and the chat sessions and what have you and then you submit your interim report
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you get your feedback and things on the interim report and then there's a period
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of time during which you're working on the project and
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you submit um for the final deadline and
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i'm not
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sure when that is exactly but it will appear at
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the bottom of the page for our module on the VLE
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okay so research
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technical choices
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this is something that people often don't think of as research
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but if you're working and you decide to use one software
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tool rather than another
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It could be worth your while just explaining why you made that decision.
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There's lots of decisions that you could take.
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So in my time management application,
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I'm going to need a user interface
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and I'm going to need a database behind the scenes.
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The user interface might be on a mobile device or it might
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be a web page that you expect to view on a laptop
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screen.
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And there are various database management systems that I might use and
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various tools I might use to build a user interface.
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I mean,
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it could even be a Windows application.
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So deciding
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what tools you will use is something of a research exercise.
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You have to sort of look into the various options and
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pick the best one and explain why that's the best one.
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anyway you see how if you're explaining every decision you take
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the life cycle you've chosen the
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software tools that you've decided to use and so
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on and so on all of those decisions would have been taken
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by consulting the literature in some way
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or things that are available on the web and
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you should
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because this is an academic report show that influence so
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that's why there needs to be some kind of bibliography so
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in the final report the bibliography may contain
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12, 15,
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maybe 20 references.
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In the interim report,
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I'm expecting you to start to identify the
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best references,
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but maybe there'll just be three or four of them.
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I wouldn't expect to see more than 10.
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Yeah,
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so what you're saying is,
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there's a good question here about,
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it's a website project,
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which may or may not have a database.
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Okay, so the way I'm imagining this is you begin the project
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and at the beginning,
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your intention is to build a complete website,
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which would include a database at the back end.
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But as the project unfolds,
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it becomes clear that you won't have time to build the back end.
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So this is a change in the scope of the project.
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Focus is now more on the design of the user interface
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as a prototype.
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It might be that you nevertheless design the database,
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you know,
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so that there is a database design,
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an entity model,
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but don't actually have time to implement it.
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And this will be part of the story of your project.
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You started off with ambitions and
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didn't have time to do everything and what
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would be happening is the story of the project unfolds is you'd be explaining
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this you'd be explaining why certain things took longer than
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you thought and why that has meant that you've been able to deliver less than
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you'd originally intended but that story of how the scope
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of the project changed is an important part of your project
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submission in the final report
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Every case is judged on its own merits,
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you know, so when you're reading a final report and if
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a student were to say I didn't have time to implement the database,
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the examiner just uses some judgment about whether that's reasonable.
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If it's a complicated user interface,
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if the requirements analysis was very substantial.
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If attention has been paid to things like usability and
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the user experience,
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that mean that the design of the user interface has been
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a pretty substantial piece of work,
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then the fact that the database didn't get implemented would not
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prevent someone from obtaining a high mark.
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But similarly,
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if you did design the user interface and you did design a
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database for the back end,
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and implemented it then that's great
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you know and it may be that you were able to do that because the user
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interface isn't particularly great you know it's a simple
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one and in your further work section
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at the end of the report you suggest ways in which it could be improved
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if you had more time there's a judgment
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involved in which type of work you want to focus on
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Right, so if people make a poor job of
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their interim report,
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which I'm sure you won't be doing that,
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but if people do,
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there
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tends to be a number of different reasons.
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So one of them is not
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providing evidence of the development work that you've done.
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Now this does happen.
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People will say something like,
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I spent a week working on the design of the database without
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providing a database design diagram.
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But
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I just have to take their word for it,
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don't I, that they've designed the database if they don't provide the evidence.
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The development evidence.
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So if you say you've developed a use case diagram,
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I'd like to see it.
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If you say that you've prioritized the use cases
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and chosen the most important one and analyzed it with scenario analysis
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and maybe a little bit of wireframing,
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I'd just like to see the wireframes and the scenario analysis and
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the Moscow prioritization and so on.
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So that's about providing evidence of
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the work you've done.
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a subtle one is where people describe things rather
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than evaluate them so where this can happen is that um
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you for example see a
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software system that does something similar to the software that you're
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designing and it inspires
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you you think there are features of that software system that you
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would like to include in your software
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system
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So one way of talking about that is just to say,
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It has this feature,
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and when you do this,
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this happens.
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And that's describing what goes on.
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Evaluating it is a bit more,
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you're saying,
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and this is very useful because,
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and I think this would be very helpful to my client because,
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and I thought this was a very good idea.
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However, I've finessed it a little,
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I've made some changes to it,
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but...
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I got the idea from this source and then adapted it.
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All of that type of thing is evaluation,
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isn't it?
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It's bringing something of your own judgment and not just
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describing the work of other people.
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The other thing is the way our marking scheme favours
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projects where people have discussed their learning.
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And sometimes people miss that completely.
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So, you know,
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if you've decided to use a software tool that you haven't used before
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and you encountered some difficulties debugging your programs
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and spent some time trying to debug
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the programs eventually succeeded,
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you will have learned something from that.
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You have to think,
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well, what did that teach me?
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What did I learn?
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And then in the report,
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you can give yourself credit for that learning by...
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telling the reader of the report what happened and
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explaining what you learned but if you don't do that it just sort of disappears
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doesn't it's just a personal experience that you had that your
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examiner doesn't know anything about so you can't give you credit for
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it so the marking scheme does reward intelligent
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reflection on your personal development which
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is mainly about the things that you've learned
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by working on the project.
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So I think those are like the commonly weak areas.
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of some proposals so you just have to avoid those
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types of mistake now then here's a little bit of
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a sort of a a simple
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formula for an element
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of the report so let's
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say the element of the report is that you are going
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to create a use case diagram so
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initially this would appear as part of your plan so
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you want to say I planned to do this and
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then I took action and I did it and here
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is the evidence that I did it and now I'm going
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to think about what I did and what I learned from that
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and that might lead me to make updates to my plan and so
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on and so on so it starts with a plan
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So say it's a database.
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You plan to design the database.
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You take action,
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spend some time designing the database.
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You need to provide evidence that you've done that.
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Here's the entity model.
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And then reflect on...
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what you've just done whether you think there's certain things
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that may need to be added to this design whether there's certain
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things you feel a little bit uncertain about certain
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things that you have chosen to leave out because of the scope
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of your project and what have you and again this could lead to
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some kind of update in your
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plan so there's a little story there you can tell about
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every significant thing that you work on so sometimes you
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say deliverable don't we you know say you want to
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come up with a wireframe for a particular
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use case so there's a scenario analysis
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being done so you plan to produce some wireframes
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for that
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scenario analysis this means you take action and
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produce some wireframes and it to see the evidence here are those wireframes
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and then you can reflect on anything that you've learned in the process
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of developing the wireframes but usually you do usually
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soon as you start to actually imagine what the user interface would
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look like you get more ideas about the best
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way to build it
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And then they update to the plan.
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Also,
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sometimes with wireframing,
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you can show your ideas to someone else and get
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their response.
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And that can also be part of the reflection that
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can lead you to making changes.
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Okay,
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so next week we'll talk about the interim report in more detail.
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and with any look you'll have received your project proposals
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back if not by next week certainly by the week after
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when we will have our final chat session unless
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we decide to organize additional ones for any reason
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so my final thing is that the
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proposal that you have submitted was intended to explain what
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it was that you were intending to do
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So the focus in the interim report will be on what you've actually
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done so far,
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but also critically,
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what you've learned from doing that.
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Okay,
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so I'm going to put these slides up on the VLE.
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Unless there's
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any more questions appearing in the chat window,
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we'll end the session.
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Here's a question.
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How about a few changes to the project along the way before the...
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Yes,
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that's fine.
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So it's understood on this module that your initial idea
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for the project is likely to evolve as you work
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through the project.
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Okay,
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so...
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In a way,
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if nothing changed,
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if your original idea was you stayed with that,
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so you ended up delivering exactly what it was
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that you'd said you would do.
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There'd be less to say about what you'd learned along the way,
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wouldn't there?
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In a funny way,
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you want things to go wrong so you can learn from
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the experience of correcting them.
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They could go dramatically wrong in the
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sense that you could completely change your mind.
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You could submit a proposal,
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get some feedback from me,
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and then think,
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wait a minute.
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I think I prefer this other idea that I've just had.
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And even though I've had that proposal marked,
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I won't do that project.
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I'll do this other thing instead.
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So you present an interim report that is not
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connected to your original proposal.
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I don't think anyone's ever done that,
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but you could.
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There's nothing to stop you from doing that.
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It's understood that the...
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scope of the project and exactly what the product will
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be can change while you're working on the project.
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And as I just said,
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sometimes if it does change,
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that helps you write about the learning and the,
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you know,
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the reflection of the time management aspects and what have you.
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When things go wrong,
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there's usually more to say than if everything goes according
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to plan.
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okay so unless there's another question my pleasure
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my pleasure right okay so i think we can end the session for today
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as i said this is an unusual session we've only had a very small group but
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this is very understandable i've thought of another reason why that might be the
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clocks have gone forward in the uk and they don't do that all over the world
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i don't know whether they do where you live but we we find ourselves
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winding our clocks forward for an hour because um
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really it's because in the winter months we put them back and
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we put them back so that we get more daylight in the morning sometimes people
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in other countries don't realize that the English clocks have changed
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for an hour yes
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yeah yeah I will
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I will I won't be dropping any afternoon sessions
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Anyway, thank you very much for attending this chat session.
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I hope that you enjoyed thinking about your proposal.
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I'm going to try and get feedback to you as quickly as I can.
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And then I hope that that feedback encourages you to
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enjoy working on your interim report.
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Next week,
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more about the interim report.
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We'll go through the guidelines together and I'll show you some
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examples of interim reports that students...
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have submitted in the past okay thank
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you very much for your time and for your attention i shall
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post these slides to the vre but um i'm
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going to say bye for now see
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you next week

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