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Hello there's only a few of us in the chat session and

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I think that might be because this

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is a funny session isn't it where immediately after

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you've submitted your proposal so there's

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a natural opportunity here to take a break from the module isn't

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there really when you wait for my marks and

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feedback on your proposal and I'm very

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aware of that I've taken a look through the proposals

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that I've received and just in a relaxed way

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not marking any of them just having a look to see what people have

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submitted and work all looks very good I haven't seen any proposal

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yet there isn't a good idea means everyone has

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identified a problem that I think could be

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solved with the assistance

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of software for a client that i'm able to imagine

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so across the board i mean i've looked at

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over half the proposals um across the

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board people seem to have have made a good start so

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well done you now um i'll

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try and mark these proposals quickly i've got three weeks

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really um

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The deadline is towards the end of April for me,

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but that means if I don't mark them by the end

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of April, someone will have something to say about it.

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But I will do.

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And my ambition is to get the proposals

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marked.

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This week,

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now that's a big ambition for me because I can't

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return any marks proposal until I've

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marked them all.

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So I have to mark them all and then hit a

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button and they go flying out into the world.

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And there's quite a lot.

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But I have got a week here leading up to Easter

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with nothing else to do.

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you know apart from make easter cakes and things like that

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and potter about in the garden in the spring sunshine

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which is lovely today by the way in the uk um

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so i may get them done it may be that this time next

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week when i come to this chat session i'll be able to proudly say um

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that you will have received your proposal back with

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feedback.

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But if not,

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it will be the week after.

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It will be by the week after.

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Now,

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what to do in this session?

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Well,

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this morning I went through the slides in this present.

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I'm going to have to let my dog into this room.

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She's barking at the door.

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Hang on.

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I see

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her over there somewhere.

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i don't let's not make this a long session then the um unless

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you have lots of questions in which case um you know i'll try to answer those but

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um in this morning's session i went through some slides the

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slides that i have here and i took a few questions

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about them but really i was just talking in general terms about

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how you move on from the proposal towards the interim report

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We'll talk about this in more detail next week.

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So next week I will look at some example interim

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reports.

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and the marking scheme you know and the guidelines

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and talk about those things in more detail and it may

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be that the recording of that chat session and the recording of

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this one will be useful to you in a few weeks time later

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on in the year when you're approaching the deadline for the interim report

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you may find it interesting to go back to the recording and

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see what I said here

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today and next week.

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But the slides for this presentation

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I'll make available on the VLE so you may

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not even feel the need to view the chat session

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if the slides seem to explain themselves.

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God, slides never do that,

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do they?

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But sometimes,

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you know, the things that I add to the slides in the

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chat session are not essential,

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not essential listening.

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So just let me spend a few minutes,

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just a few minutes going through these slides,

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in which I'm talking about how we're moving now.

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After you've received your feedback

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and your marks,

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for the proposal,

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you'll want to think about moving on to the interim report.

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And what that means is moving away from thinking about what it

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is that you plan to do as you did in the proposal.

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into thinking and discussing and explaining what

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you have done and what you're going to do next so

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what will have happened by the time you submit the interim report

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is that you will have done some development and

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a significant part of the interim report is you discussing

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that development work so do you see

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in terms of the

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the style of the report and the the way that you write

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there's a shift away from you explaining what

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your intentions are to you providing evidence of

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the work that you have done so

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I'm the marker for the interim report and when I look at the report,

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I'm following a marking scheme,

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which we'll discuss next week.

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What am I looking for?

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What does the marking scheme ask me to think about?

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Well,

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first of all, I'm looking to see that there's evidence of

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progress,

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that things have happened since you submitted the proposal.

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I'm also looking,

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because of the academic nature of these reports,

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to see that you have paid attention to the work

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of other people and applied that

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in the practice of your own work.

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So,

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for example...

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One kind of research is to read around

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the subject.

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You may read around the subject and if the subject is something like

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e -commerce or time management,

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then there are things written about that subject.

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That's one kind of research.

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Another kind of research is into the most appropriate software

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tools that you would use to help build the solution.

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And then there's the research you might undertake into project

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life cycles,

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testing approaches,

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all of that type of thing.

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And another kind of research is that you look on the internet,

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say, to see if you can find products

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that are similar to the thing that you're proposing

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to develop.

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For example,

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if it was a library management application,

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you may wish to take a look at websites for library management

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software systems and see what functionality they

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typically offer and so on and so on.

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And all that would be a kind of research,

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wouldn't it?

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Background research.

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And you should...

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In the interim report,

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begin to build a bibliography.

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You may only have three or four references in the bibliography

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in the interim report,

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but it will grow when you get to the final report.

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And the bibliography is there to help someone else

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go and see the resources that

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inspired you.

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So if there were websites,

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the URL of the website,

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if it was a book.

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then details of the book if it was an academic paper or an

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online course you know it was something in the bibliography

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that would allow the reader to go and take a look at that inspiring

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resource for themselves the other

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thing is this idea of you constantly talking about what

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you're learning from working on the project what problems

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you've encountered and how you solve them

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Yeah, and sometimes that means being

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honest about solutions that you have tried that didn't

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work.

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Things that if this was an industrial project

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would just be lost,

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but you can sort of talk about them in terms of what you learned.

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Now,

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one of the things that you will learn really inevitably on a project like this

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is how to plan your time.

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Now, this is this week's topic,

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isn't it, for the lecture,

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this idea of project management,

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what a big subject area project management is nowadays.

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And this is typically in organisations where there'll

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be a team of developers working together

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and the project manager will be responsible for organising

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the work of the team,

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setting deadlines so that...

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one team member has finished a task before

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another one begins the next task or whatever you know organizing

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it and also working out how much time is needed and

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how much money would be required

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So project management is a very important job.

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I'm very well paid.

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Lots of people get a good career out of being project

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managers.

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And it seems to be one of those jobs,

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by the way,

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that people who've become a project manager in one area are

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able to go and become a project manager in another industry

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often.

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project management is seen to be something that's a little bit separate from

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the work that the team are actually undertaking

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okay so enough

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about that for now what will

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happen in the writing of your report is that there are a number of things that

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you will try to do one is you'll be refining

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Your proposal you'll be expanding on the ideas

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that you introduced Maybe drawing on some feedback that you

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receive from me Maybe just

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because you're starting to progress with the project you get

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a deeper sort of understanding of exactly what it is

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that you have let yourself in for so the important thing is that you show

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this deeper understanding you in this report

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show what it is that you have learned since

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you wrote the proposal and how your thinking has

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improved so you're explicitly telling this story of how how

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much progress you have made

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So the call marks for the interim report will rotate around the idea

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of you identifying requirements.

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Now you may do that with a use case diagram,

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the subject of last week's lecture.

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You're beginning to think about analysis

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and design.

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One thing I was saying this morning is you can sometimes identify

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the point at which you move from analysis and

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into design.

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So sometimes on a project,

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there's a period at the beginning where you have to spend some time understanding

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the business that you're working in.

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And that's systems analysis,

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isn't it,

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when you're trying to understand the business.

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When you choose a use case diagram,

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you're sort of doing systems analysis.

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But you're right on the border of...

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design because the use case diagram is a statement

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of what a software system will do which is the very beginning

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of designing that software system but certainly

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if you develop a use case using scenario

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analysis you're explicitly thinking about a

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dialogue between you and the system or the user and the system and

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that's the that's a design

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consideration and you then produce wireframes to

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give a sense of what the user interface would look like which

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you may produce just with pen and paper that's definitely design

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isn't it so you're crossing over from analysis and into

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design and possibly thinking about prototypes

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now the prototypes I'm thinking about here would typically be if

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you include any in the interim report

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then they may be just wireframes simple wireframes

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low fidelity wireframes we often say could be produced

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using a wireframe tool like PowerPoint

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Powerpoint has got storyboarding features,

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but there are lots of other software tools that are freely available,

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Balsamiq and other ones that would allow

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you to produce a very simple wireframe of a user

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interface.

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Now,

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I think I would expect in the interim report that most

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people would include a use case diagram and

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that some people

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would produce wireframes,

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but it's not,

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the judgment involved in this is

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yours.

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How complicated is your use case diagram?

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If it's very complicated,

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then perhaps you don't.

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progress to wireframes but if it's a simple use case diagram

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we say half a dozen use cases it would seem sensible to push

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a bit further and identify the most important use case

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document it with scenario analysis and some initial

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wireframes right

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So, good question here about do we include text from the initial

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report in the interim report?

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Now,

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there's two answers to that question and one of them is yes and the other one is no.

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I think yes is the most honest answer because

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I see the interim report as a

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developed version of the proposal.

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Right,

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so I see that the project proposal

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well you know will be marked and you'll be receiving feedback and

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then developing it further the big the big developments as i've

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said will be that you will begin to design something

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say with a use case diagram and that gets included

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in the interim report and you may begin um yeah

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to think about the database design as

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well maybe um so

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some of the original proposal will

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still be relevant to the discussion saying the proposal

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you will have done some background to the project so

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your interim report will have a longer background section but

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it could be the same the same

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background that arrived in the

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that was submitted in the proposal with some extra words you

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know with an expansion so that the background section is longer then

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maybe refers to more papers in the bibliography and

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that might be because

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in the feedback I say you could add this to the

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background section or something so when you say do we include text

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from the initial report you certainly don't have to do it but

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it might just happen naturally it might be because in the initial project

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report you talked about the background to the project and the technical

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challenges of the project and these are still things that you'll be talking

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about in the interim report so why would you completely

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ignore what you'd said before the thing is to perhaps say

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again but to expand on it and say more i've

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got this thing here about um an explanation

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at the end there where you say explain what it is you've done why you

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did it what the result was

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keep talking about use case diagrams but you can imagine saying

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what you did was to develop a use case diagram and explain why

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you did it and then show the use case diagram as

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your results um similar

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with a database design you know you you can say what i did was

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to begin to design a database with a class

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diagram and then what here is that class diagram

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and then

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talk about how you would then further develop it into a

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detailed database design so when it comes to evidence

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of the work you've done in the proposal you

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would use language like I plan to do this in

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the interim report I would expect you to

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say more like I did this so I

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didn't I plan to do this but no

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I developed this and this,

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what was this?

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Well,

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it could be a diagram,

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could be a work breakdown structure,

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could be a SWOT analysis,

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a Gantt chart,

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could be a use case diagram,

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what have you.

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Could be mocked up screenshots,

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could be the beginnings of a database design.

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But things that you've actually built,

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as it were,

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you know, things that you've created that you're presenting as part of your

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development activity.

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When it comes to the planning,

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you would have had some kind of plan in your initial

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proposal.

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However simple it was,

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there'd be some kind of plan.

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And now when you get into the interim report,

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some things have happened.

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One thing that's happened is you've had your proposal marked.

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Another thing that

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has happened is that you have begun to work on the developments of the system.

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You've reacted to feedback.

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So things are moving on.

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So you're in a position to look

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back at the original plan and to say how

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things are working out.

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practice right so

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this can be a very interesting discussion

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it's a discussion about project management really

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isn't it and often with a project like this the

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story would be you thought that it would be easy but it turned

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out to be quite hard and things took longer than you expected

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so you had to change the plan

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And that gives you an opportunity to talk about project management and about what

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you've learned.

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So that was this week's lecture topic,

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wasn't it?

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The

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marking scheme encourages you,

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because it's an academic report,

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to constantly talk about the things that you're learning while

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you're working on the project.

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Well,

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when you've learned something,

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it sort of manifests in one of two ways,

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isn't it?

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You now have knowledge that you didn't have before.

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So you understand something now that you didn't understand

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before.

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Or you have developed skills.

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So there are now things that you can do that you weren't

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able to do before.

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So typically,

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so I'm just going to pick the time management application

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as an example.

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You can gain knowledge about time management

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by reading about time management.

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how to organize time effectively that

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would be understanding wouldn't

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it be knowledge to build the type

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management application you may use a database management system and

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working with that database management system requires certain

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skills so acquiring skills in working with that software

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too

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Now, a good way to present this in the report,

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to make it very clear,

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is to just have a series of bullet points,

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the things that you think you've learned,

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and then along with a short description of that,

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an explanation of why that was of value to you.

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Yes,

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okay,

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so as you see,

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on the VLE,

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it doesn't show lectures or live sessions after the 4th of April.

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Yes,

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I should explain.

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These sessions are recorded and there are six of them.

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So the idea is in those six sessions,

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there's two more after this,

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next week and the week after,

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there are then no more chat sessions or

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no more lectures.

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The idea is we get to the point where you can then continue working on

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the project without a weekly class

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meeting like this.

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You can,

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of course,

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continue to ask questions and to send emails and you can view

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recordings of the chat sessions that we've had and in fact we

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can have more chat sessions and if they seem to

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be useful they're easy to set up and

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We could have a chat session some weeks after you've submitted your

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interim report,

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for example.

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But there are non -scheduled.

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So there are only six as part of the module.

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Two more after this week,

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scheduled.

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lectures and scheduled chat sessions after

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that everything that you need to know has sort of been covered and

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where you go next is to work on putting it into

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practice right

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so there is this thing about an

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academic report and having to show the background

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research that you have undertaken

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So there's a way of doing that,

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isn't there?

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You can read about user interface design.

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Good principles of user interface design,

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let's say.

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You could just explain what they are.

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What you then sort of want to do is explain how

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knowing about these things has influenced your

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design decisions.

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Yeah, I can't remember the dates exactly,

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but after the interim report,

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there's a long period of time when you're working on the project

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before the final report deadline.

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This is what is being asked.

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But the deadlines will be clear in the

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VLE,

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the assessment.

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area at the bottom of the page okay so

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yeah so we have the six weeks of the lectures

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and the chat sessions and what have you and then you submit your interim report

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you get your feedback and things on the interim report and then there's a period

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of time during which you're working on the project and

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you submit um for the final deadline and

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i'm not

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sure when that is exactly but it will appear at

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the bottom of the page for our module on the VLE

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okay so research

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technical choices

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this is something that people often don't think of as research

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but if you're working and you decide to use one software

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tool rather than another

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It could be worth your while just explaining why you made that decision.

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There's lots of decisions that you could take.

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So in my time management application,

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I'm going to need a user interface

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and I'm going to need a database behind the scenes.

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The user interface might be on a mobile device or it might

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be a web page that you expect to view on a laptop

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screen.

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And there are various database management systems that I might use and

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various tools I might use to build a user interface.

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I mean,

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it could even be a Windows application.

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So deciding

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what tools you will use is something of a research exercise.

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You have to sort of look into the various options and

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pick the best one and explain why that's the best one.

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anyway you see how if you're explaining every decision you take

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the life cycle you've chosen the

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software tools that you've decided to use and so

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on and so on all of those decisions would have been taken

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by consulting the literature in some way

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or things that are available on the web and

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you should

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because this is an academic report show that influence so

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that's why there needs to be some kind of bibliography so

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in the final report the bibliography may contain

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12, 15,

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maybe 20 references.

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In the interim report,

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I'm expecting you to start to identify the

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best references,

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but maybe there'll just be three or four of them.

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I wouldn't expect to see more than 10.

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Yeah,

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so what you're saying is,

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there's a good question here about,

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it's a website project,

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which may or may not have a database.

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Okay, so the way I'm imagining this is you begin the project

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and at the beginning,

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your intention is to build a complete website,

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