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Hello, who are we with today?
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Speaker 1 (copy_A05353BC-F496-406C-BABB-283B27998DCC)
I'm Nidal Alag.
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I'm born in Basra.
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I'm 59 years old.
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I spent most
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of my life in Iraq and Baghdad.
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I finished my study primary,
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secondary and university in Baghdad.
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Okay, so we're going to start with the questions today.
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How did you criticize Saddam Hussein's power and
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the way he controlled the country?
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Speaker 1 (copy_A05353BC-F496-406C-BABB-283B27998DCC)
Saddam Hussein,
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he was dictator,
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oppressor,
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tyrant.
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His
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strategy killed anybody talked against
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him or against his bad party.
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Because Saddam Hussein,
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I lost two of my brothers.
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One of them,
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he was 18 years old and second one just graduated
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from university.
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He picked up him from the
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street and killed him.
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even he didn't inform us about
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him if he's died or he's still
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alive at that time but after Saddam regime fall down
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we knew he killed
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him because he rejected to go to Gulf
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War in 1990
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Okay.
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What personality cult did you notice in his regime?
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Was he strict?
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Was he...
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Of course.
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He's an oppressor and tyrant.
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I said that.
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Speaker 2 (copy_A05353BC-F496-406C-BABB-283B27998DCC)
Can you tell me more about Saddam?
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Speaker 1 (copy_A05353BC-F496-406C-BABB-283B27998DCC)
Oh my God,
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Saddam.
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Just imagine anybody
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talked against him.
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anybody even if he's not
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adult like kids under 18
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years old they he took the
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security member lost
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him of course from their school and beheaded
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them after that he sent his
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Part party members to visit their family to check if
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they still love Saddam or
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against him.
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Just imagine that.
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Speaker 2 (copy_A05353BC-F496-406C-BABB-283B27998DCC)
And how did this affect your daily life?
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Did you grow up scared?
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Were you in fear?
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Yeah, of course.
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We scared from them when they visited us,
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members of part party.
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I talked about my experience with
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Ba 'ath Party.
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They came to us in order to check if
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we put Saddam's picture on the wall or no.
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If we are still with
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him
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and accept his politics or against that.
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Just in order let us...
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take any speech against
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him in order also kill us but we
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try to protect ourselves by
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saying he was a
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good leader a good leader okay and what do you have to say
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about the surveillance the secret police or the fear of
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speaking in public
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Yeah, as I said,
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anybody talks against him,
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he put,
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even at university,
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at school,
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in the market,
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anybody,
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if they talked about him and other one heard
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him, he's gonna write a report against this
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person.
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And that means he's gonna
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face a big...
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Sentence.
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Was there a lot of surveillance?
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Yeah,
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of course.
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Everywhere.
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Okay.
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Have you ever been arrested?
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Yeah,
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I told you I lost my two brothers,
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but not me because we scared from him.
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We protect ourselves by keeping
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our mouth closed.
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Can you tell
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me about the situation?
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How did this influence behavior about when
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you guys were always surveilled?
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and the secret police,
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the fear of speaking in public,
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how did this influence your behavior?
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Were you more private?
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My experience in Korea,
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as I was a teacher
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at school,
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after that professor at university,
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we lived at that time,
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everyone scared from others.
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Maybe if I talk some any word this person gonna
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Be against me and write a
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report against me and I'm gonna lose
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my life or my family one of my family so
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we Left a lot
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of people left Iraq at that
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time
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How would you perceive the way the regime revolved around
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Saddam Hussein?
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We
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suffered a lot from him.
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And he entered us to war with
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Iran.
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After that,
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entered Kuwait.
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After Kuwait,
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Iraq entered.
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In your opinion,
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what was the role of school during the regime?
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because the school is managed
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by the people and teacher and manager
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but there is a lot of corruption in it okay
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I'll just I would like you to tell me about the media
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what news was shocking to you shock
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me yeah
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I told you I lost my brother.
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This is...
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No, about the media.
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About the media?
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Yeah.
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We don't have,
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we don't have,
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with Saddam regime,
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he banned the internet and we don't
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have cell phone.
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Just in media,
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just we have at that time two channels.
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No more.
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He didn't allow us to have
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satellite.
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Okay.
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so now we're gonna go to concept two what were the
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economic conditions like during the iran iraq
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war the economic conditions during
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the iraq iran war most of
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people they didn't feel
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the economic yeah with the economic because it's not
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it was normal but after saddam entered
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kuwait and iraq introduced
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this suffered from the siege
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most of teachers they
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received every month one dollar their salary
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And the corruption everywhere.
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This is during the Iran -Iraq war?
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No, no,
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after 1990,
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when there was siege in Iraq.
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Okay,
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but how about the Iran -Iraq war?
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Was there any differences?
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We lost a lot of guys,
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but about economic,
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nobody suffered from that.
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Okay.
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especially I lived in Baghdad and at that time I was
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young
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you don't remember so no i remember we lived a
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good life okay it's not very
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good but about security we can't
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talk about against him but about economic i talked about
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economic our salary the salary of workers
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it was
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It was okay?
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Not fair,
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but it's not like after Iraq
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entered siege.
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Do you know?
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Because you mentioned that you didn't
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have any economic problems.
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Do you know anybody that experienced food or
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medical shortages?
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During Iraq -Iran war,
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no, sorry,
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Iran -Iraq war,
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no, there is no problem with the economic,
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I think.
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But after that,
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we suffered a lot,
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all of us,
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even medicine,
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teacher,
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engineering people.
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Did the regime portrayal of Iraqi nationalism
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in relation to the army influence you?
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because if I don't,
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I didn't lost anybody in
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the war,
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my neighbor,
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my relative,
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I lost a lot.
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Okay.
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How
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would you describe access to education,
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health care,
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or housing under the...
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It's declined,
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it's declined.
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Education goes from hard down.
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Under the Ba 'ath party regime?
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Yeah, Iraq is
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the first country in the Arab Middle East in education.
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It was from 1970 until Iran
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-Iraq war.
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But after that,
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it's declined from up to
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down.
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And corruption everywhere.
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And education,
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health care?
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And everything?
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Yeah,
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in education.
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That's what I said.
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Did you experience favorism or exclusion
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within the regime?
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Yeah,
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of course.
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What emotions did you feel
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during this conflict?
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I was young.
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Around my age,
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it was like 14,
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15,
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like that.
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There was explosion.
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I hide under the table.
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I thought I can protect myself.
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Was
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it collective upheaval or shock trauma?
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My
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dad and my mom died
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caused trauma.
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What
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effects did the war have with bombings?
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death punishments etc etc members of
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people of your family I know you said you
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had two brothers that died because of the regime because of Saddam
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but what effect how has
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this affected your memory?
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Can you develop your emotions?
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Yeah,
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of course, until now.
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When I think about my mom,
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when there is happy days,
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should go to the prison in order to check if maybe
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Saddam allowed to politics prisoner,
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give them out
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of prison in order to check that.
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on happy day but unfortunately she's
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back with tears until now I can't
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forget her face
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did
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you feel frustrations anger trauma
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yeah
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Sometimes I want to...
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with a
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loud voice in order to...
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To yell?
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Yelling.
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Yelling is to say Saddam is
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an oppressor man.
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Yeah.
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Can
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you tell me about one more situation where Axis...
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to essential resources example water food electricity
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was difficult to achieve you know yeah we
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don't we don't have electricity we don't
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have it after arab golf we don't have electricity 24
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hours it's four four four we have sometimes
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two four
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electricity too we have electricity for
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now and with the with
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time it's four four we got that's
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our situation and we can't even we can't
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sleep in the night because the electricity off off
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until now
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Was it difficult to achieve water
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or food?
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it was a very difficult life.
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It was a very difficult life.
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Have you
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experienced
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shortages and inequality?
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What did you say?
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Why did you say something?
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No, not enough.
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how did you experience
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shortages inequality
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discrimination or even migration towards the
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state if yes how did it go no
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have you
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found any techniques no um how
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have the conflicts affected social relationship
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and family life
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Saddam,
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he's not governed,
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just he was
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governed Iraq.
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His two boys,
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Qusay and Oday,
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was governed Iraq and
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abused anybody near to
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them.
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So any talent...
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anybody he has a talent he he couldn't improve
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his talent because they are against
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any talent of any people did it
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change did it affect your social relationships yeah of
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course because uh anybody against saddam a
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lot of people or saddam killed his
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one of his family most of people they scared
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to make a relationship with this family because
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Saddam was gonna do something
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wrong with them.
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Did aspects
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such as unemployment or migration affect you during the regime?
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Again.
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Did aspects such as unemployment
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or migration affect you during the regime?
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Employment
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in the Sudan regime,
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at that time we
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can't get a job and working,
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but it's not fair.
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The salary is bad and most people left their
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job with the government.
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Okay.
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So
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this was the last question before
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ending.
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I want to know,
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is there any aspects that you
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lived under Saddam Hussein's regime that you want to say that I
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didn't ask you about?
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Do you have anything more to add?
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No,
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thank you.
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Do you have any questions for me?
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No,
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thank you.
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So we sincerely thank you for your
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participation.
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Your answers will be used in...
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Thank you!
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