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Terus juga ekologi yang keduanya ini ditarik

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ke pemerintah provinsi dan pemerintah pusat.

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Jadi kayak misalnya sekolah SMA itu menjadi

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kewenangan wilayah provinsi.

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Padahal ada kota -kota yang akses ke

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SMA -nya itu jaraknya cukup jauh.

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Nah itu...

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Pemintaan dari salah satu rekomendasi APEC

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adalah menarik kembali urusan tentang

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pendidikan terutama SMA itu di wilayah kota

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dan kampung.

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Kemudian terkait masalah ekologi,

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kami memahami masalah untuk kota -kota

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yang mempunyai pesisir pantai.

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di mana ada etnis

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undang -undang yang menentukan jarak batas wilayah ekonomi

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di wilayah laut.

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Ada yang kewenangan pemerintah pusat,

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ada yang kewenangan provinsi,

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dan ada yang wilayah kota dan keempatan.

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Jadi, ada banyak masalah di situ.

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Mulai dari pemukiman,

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kemudian aset,

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mata pencarian,

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merahian,

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kalau ada kasus,

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itu menjadi kerenangan siapa?

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Itu.

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Kemudian,

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kami juga mengalami permasalahan di

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batas wilayah administrasi.

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Jadi,

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ada kota -kota yang merupakan hasil pemekaran perubatan yang

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asetnya berada di perubatan dan sebaliknya.

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Itu ada yang masih deadlock di Kementerian Dewan Negeri.

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Jadi terkait nanti di penghitungan aset dan di

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bukti platform.

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Kemudian

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kalau masalah lain juga yang masih belum terselesaikan terkait

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penentapan RTRW dan RDTN.

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Itu dokumen.

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tentang rencana kata ruang dan rencana wilayah jadi

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bagaimana kota itu ada yang sampai 5 tahun menyusun

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perda tentang RDPR yang agak

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kompleks jadi karena harus ada koordinasi dengan provinsi dan

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regional setempat jadi ada yang sampai 5 tahun yang belum

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selesai RDPR dan itu juga sudah kami

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sampaikan pada waktu

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yang lainnya di

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kesehatan kami juga mengalami masalah yang

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sekarang ini untuk pelaksanaan penjaminan universal coverage

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kalau dulu mungkin

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sebelum ini ada beberapa foto

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ada yang sudah

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melakukan inovasi untuk menjamin semua warga

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masyarakatnya di bidang kesehatan.

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Cuma karena keluar kebijakan baru dari pemerintah,

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terutama tentang WPJS.

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Mereka

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kan dokumennya dari KTP.

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Sementara kota itu sudah.

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Sudah naik,

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grade -nya jadi metropolitan,

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banyak keluarga yang akhirnya jadi pindah ke penduduk

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yang ditanggung jaminannya.

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Jadi selain itu,

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pencatatan itu juga selalu ada,

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itu tadi Pak,

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karena efisiensi,

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jadi mereka nggak kuat lagi bayar ini.

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Ini,

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Pak, sangat saktif.

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Terima kasih,

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Putri.

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Selanjutnya,

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kami persilahkan Pak Janja dari perspektif provinsi.

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Terima kasih Pak.

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Pada dasarnya kami sepakat

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dengan apa yang disampaikan atas dan ateksi bahwa perlu

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evaluasi kembali Undang -Undang 23 tahun 2014 terutama

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mengenai kewenangan.

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Beberapa waktu yang lalu kami telah

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mengeluarkan rekomendasi kepada Pembangunan Pusat

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berkait implementasi kebijakan desentralisasi dan otomi

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daerah berdasarkan Undang -Undang No.

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23 tahun 2014.

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Yang kami rasa belum berlangsung secara maksimal.

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Disebabkan oleh belum terbitnya peraturan pemerintah yang diperintahkan.

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Antara lain mengenai pelaksanaan urusan pemerintahan konkuren,

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pelaksanaan urusan pemerintahan umum,

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dan kewenangan daerah provinsi dan daerah provinsi yang berjiri

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kepulauan.

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Kemudian...

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Adanya Undang -Undang baru pasca penetapan Undang -Undang Pemerintah Daerah yang

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kami terasa menyimpang dari tujuan kebijakan DOD.

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Seperti Undang -Undang Cipta Kerja dan Undang -Undang Melerba.

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Kemudian kami juga para Gubernur menyeroti dalam

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Undang -Undang No.

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23 tahun 2014 tentang Pemerintah Daerah diatur bahwa

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Gubernur sebagai Wakil Pemerintah Pusat.

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Perangkat Gubernur sebagai Wakil Pemerintah Pusat merupakan perangkat.

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merupakan perangkat pemerintah pusat yang diisi oleh pejabat pusat.

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Dalam praktiknya,

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semua jabatan dalam perangkat GWPP dirangkap oleh pejabat daerah

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yang pada gilirannya membuat perangkat GWPP tidak berfungsi maksimal

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dalam membantu GWPP melaksanakan tugasnya membina dan mengawasi

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penyelenggarahan pemerintahan di kabupaten kota.

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Kemudian selama ini juga pembentukan peraturan

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perundang -undangan oleh pemerintah pusat belum secara serius melibatkan pemerintah

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daerah.

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untuk ikut serta dalam pembahasan dan penentuannya.

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Selama ini,

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mekanisme pelibatan pemerintah daerah hanya sebatas ikut serta dalam konsultasi

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publik, rancangan peraturan yang juga hanya berlangsung secara formalitas.

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Sehubungan itu,

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APPSI menyarankan agar pemerintah daerah dilibatkan secara

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serius, antara lain dengan mengatur bahwa dalam proses penetapan

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daftar inventasi daerah,

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daftar inventasi masalah atau DIM,

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Pemerintah daerah melalui asosiasinya dapat mengejukan trap kepada

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pemerintah pusat.

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Kurang lebih sebetulnya Pak.

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Terima kasih.

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Pak Cacat,

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ini kan kebetulan sekarang ada pembahasan RUU Kepulauan.

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Nah itu kalau jumlah provinsi yang

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berkiri Kepulauan masih 7.

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Saat ini anggotanya setahu saya sudah 9.

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9.

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Asosiasi pemerintah daerah kecil Kepulauan.

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Riau,

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Sulawesi Tenggara,

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Bali,

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Nusa Tenggara Barat,

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Nusa Tenggara Timur,

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Maluku,

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Maluku Utara,

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Sulawesi Utara.

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Papua Barat enggak?

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Sehingga saya dulu.

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Itu nanti berlaku untuk pilihan provinsi saja atau Kabupaten -Kotak juga Kalau

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Kabupaten -Kotak jumlahnya berapa ya?

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Kan harus ada karakterianya juga ya nanti ya?

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Iya ada, cuman data kami belum lengkap untuk yang kontak

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Karena ada yang di tengah -tengah,

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tengah T,

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T, B, R

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Ujim Pak,

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setahu saya ada asosiasi daerah provinsi berkiri kepelawaan dan ada asosiasi

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daerah maritim.

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Mungkin ada gabungan antara provinsi,

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kabupaten, kota.

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ceritari menarik apakah itu yang disetujui atau tidak.

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Itu nanti bisa menentukan jadi

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wilayah kepulauan atau tidak.

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That's the idea,

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because under the current regulation actually the

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authority to use marine

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area

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actually belong to province level,

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in the area of 12 km

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from the coastline.

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But under the new law,

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new draft,

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the draft of the new law,

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it is also proposed that district and cities also

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have the opportunity to use the marine area

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from coastline to 4 kilometers.

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So province from 4 to 12.

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That's the one of the proposed articles

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in the draft.

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It's like issuing permits.

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regulating the economic activity in the Mali -Engine area.

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Thank you very

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much for joining us,

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thank you very much for your inputs.

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super relevant and for us working and listening also

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to sub-machine governments is a very important part

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of our assessment

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the full picture of how regional development is

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being designed and implemented in Indonesia thank you very much for your time today

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I do have two points that I picked up from

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your interventions so one was a topic that was briefly

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discussed in previous point that was about the competencies

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between levels so

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You mentioned that there were certain competencies

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that were going from the regencies to the provinces,

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and this is creating somewhat of a tension.

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So,

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I think I got that right,

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but it's correct if I'm wrong.

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So,

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if you could maybe share a bit more details of those competencies

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and also how...

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from your point of view from advocacy,

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how do you see this shift,

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this transfer from competencies from one level to the

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other, that's one point,

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also I leave the question open if anyone else would like to

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jump in into that,

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I got it,

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maybe I got this wrong.

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So, probably about the term that you use,

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what is the competencies that you mean,

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it's like a,

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so,

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I, I understand,

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responsibility,

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responsibility,

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ah,

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I understand that for example there are certain responsibilities

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that would be now with the Regency and potentially would be...

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to be translated to the provinces, is that the case?

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Basically the norm,

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let me talk about the norm under the law.

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How to determine that some responsibility belongs to a province

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or a district or a city?

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This is one of the criteria such as like whether it's externalities.

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If it's like an externalities or speed over across district

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or levels, it will have a province level to tackle this.

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And then the second criteria is about the efficiency.

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Whether the skill of the responsibility

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or the affairs or the function,

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the most efficient one is whether

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it's implemented at district or city or at

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province level.

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And the third one is about accountability,

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whether it's easier to report

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or like monitoring and evaluation.

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But again,

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as mentioned by our colleagues,

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still there is no clear operational guidance.

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as a derivative of the law regarding these

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concurrent responsibilities because as

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you mentioned in some countries it's like not quite clear it's

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the same I guess in Indonesia I mean some responsibility because there's not clear

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no one tackle about this but in some issues

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like it's very lucrative for example

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everyone want to jump in.

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That's the problem.

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Probably, there's a common issue.

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But probably,

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mungkin Bapak Ibu bisa menambahkan terkait dengan kejelasan pembagian

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urusan antara provinsi dan kabupaten kota,

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mana yang mungkin perlu diperjelas dan mana yang mungkin sudah oke.

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Mana yang

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mungkin perlu diturunkan ke kabupaten kota,

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mana yang perlu diangkat ke provinsi.

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Ya,

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baik.

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terima kasih jadi tadi sudah saya sampaikan di awal

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bahwa ada beberapa kewenangan atau urusan yang lebih

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menurut kami yang lebih baik itu

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dilimpahkan kembali ke kabupaten kota misalnya masalah

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kehutanan pengelolaan hutan termasuk izin -izinnya

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lalu

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pertambangan khusus galian C misalnya untuk pertambangan

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batu kapur gitu ya yang lebih kecil pasir

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ya itu dikembalikan lagi ke Kabupaten Kota

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dan tadi yang sudah kami saya untuk pengelolaan

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SMA pendidikan SMA ya

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Juga bisa dikembalikan kepada Kabupaten

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Kota Karena ini akan lebih efektif tadi Seperti Pak perlu

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sampaikan Urusannya akan lebih efektif

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dan efisien Kalau dikelola

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Ini,

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probably it is better for OECD team to

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share also the experience in a country that

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is lion's share of forest in district

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or state level.

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Like, I know Canada is very much forest

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in, so how the local government can

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benefit from the environment and situation.

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Yeah, this is definitely some information we

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can find and send to you maybe the detailed breakdown,

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because of course there is a huge variety among countries,

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it depends,

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in some countries it's more centralized,

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the Nordic countries,

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in Canada it's highly,

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it's really at the level of the province,

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so we can,

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if you're interested,

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especially in the forestry sector,

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because we have a specific program on this.

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at the OECD,

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and really the subnational dimension of the

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forestry sector.

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So we could send you detailed information and data.

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so if there is a particular country you are interested in you could find it it could be

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your advocacy material so that's one point but I always have

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questions so I understand that all of this discussion is

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kind of related around the proposed revision and my

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understanding is that was more recentralization from regencies

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and cities to provincial governments including

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these provincial but I

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understand this is still ongoing

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Is there already sort of consensus of where this direction is going?

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Because I understand each of your associations has already given sort of advocacy to

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this environment making proposals.

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But has this converging?

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Is there already some sort of agreement on where the revision?

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So you're currently discussing the revision of law 23

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-2040,

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but it's still being discussed,

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it hasn't been finalized yet,

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but you've been discussing for quite a long time,

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so I'm just wondering,

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is it close to finalization?

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And if so,

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where is this going?

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Is this going as proposed,

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sort of,

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changing

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things,

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stuff back to districts and cities,

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or is not much changing?

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Ya.

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Gimana,

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Pak? Silahkan.

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Apakah usulan -usulan sudah mengkristal?

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Atau ada pertensi? Silahkan.

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Siapa dulu yang mulai?

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Baik.

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Baik, pada dasarnya,

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Terutama avokasi dan afeksi adalah selebbaran

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itu.

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Kami seringkali berbicara bersama join avokasi

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untuk isu -isu tertentu.

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Jadi misalnya tadi masalah pendidikan,

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kesehatan,

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pertambangan,

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lalu masalah undang -undang.

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Itu kami cukup

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dekat dengan afeksi.

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Pertamanya menyuarakan hal

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yang kami sampaikan.

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Dan kami juga sudah menyusun inventarisasi

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masalah untuk pasal -pasal mana yang perlu direvisi

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di Undang -Undang 23 -2014.

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Saya

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jelasin yang dari awal,

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Pak, tentang urusan kewondanan.

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Jadi kalau secara undang -undang itu ada

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di pasal 9,

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11,

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12.

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13, 14,

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dan 15 urusan kewenangan jadi disitu mana yang

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ada urusan urusan konkuren mana

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yang ada urusan absolut mana yang ada urusan

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wajib dan urusan pilihan sedangkan sektor

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-sektornya itu ada 32 bidang urusan

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itu sudah

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sudah by name gitu Pak misalnya kalau kota itu

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perundangannya di terminal IPJ gitu -gitu udah benar

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-benar teknis itu ada di dalam lampiran di dalam Undang -Undang 23 itu nah

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itu yang menjadi bermasalahan sampai saat ini untuk

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yang di lampiran itu karena pemerintah itu benar -benar

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teknis banget itu menentukan bidang -bidang urusannya sampai detail

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seperti itu

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beberapa memang sampai bertahun -tahun urusan

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pendidikan yang pinta dipindah terus untuk yang perizinan daerah juga

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kami mengalami perubahan yang lebih dasar lagi

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jadi ada peraturan pemerintah nomor 21 tahun

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2022 tentang perizinan daerah yang itu konek

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dengan pemerintah pusat dengan aplikasi OSS RDA

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masalah tapi kami mendampingi BKPM

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dari awal terutama untuk integrasi aplikasinya karena

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ada beberapa kota yang itu udah

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canggih Pak jadi harus integrasi dengan yang di pusat itu

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kami mendampingi dan memonitori itu mana yang menjadi masalah

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lalu tadi yang

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terkait

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usulan revisinya itu diantara anggota pemerintah

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kota sudah ada konsensus kira -kira usulnya begini diantara

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semua anggota jadi kami sebelum menghadap

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terutama pada waktu dipanggil oleh komisi 2 kita

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berdiskusi diantara wali kota lalu juga kekuatannya

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jadi memang sudah dari lama itu

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beberapa isu -isu yang bisa diadvokasi.

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Ketika revisi Undang -Undang 32 menjadi

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Undang -Undang 23,

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kita juga join advokasi untuk di beberapa

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isu -isu.

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Nah,

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yang membuat menjadi tumpang pindih dalam pelaksanaan,

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itu kebanyakan di sektorannya,

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di peraturan sektorannya,

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yang dia tidak.

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Belum atau tidak memperhatikan hak dan kewajiban

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pemerintah daerah sesuai dengan undang -undang 23.

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Nah praktek baiknya itu,

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kemarin kita senang banget tuh Pak yang ada SAB Bapak Nas yang

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integrasi perencaraan antara pemerintah ini itu

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bareng surat udaranya,

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jadi gak meminimukannya.

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Bagi daerah itu bermanfaat sekali.

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Di

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provinsi masih ada tentang usulat tradisinya.

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Kami juga beberapa waktu lalu sudah membuat daftar

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inventarisasi masalah yang kami usulkan

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untuk perubahan atau revisi undang -undang 23 tahun

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2014.

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Namun,

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sejauh ini belum kami daikan

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ke pusat.

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Masih kami akan masih dilanjut.

23:43

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Sejauh itu seperti itu.

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there is a strong tendency to reinforce

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with the same proposal related to the detailed,

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what can I say,

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how to personalize and distribute

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the responsibility in terms of sectors,

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online ministries,

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and also abuat and potan of district.

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Thank you, thank you very much.

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An issue that came up quite

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often since yesterday is the topic of cooperation

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among provinces,

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agencies,

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cities,

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and challenges for cooperating,

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which is not at all specific to Indonesia.

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because all countries are struggling

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with that but some are more advanced than others

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in putting in place incentives at the central government level

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to really foster cooperation and it can be fiscal

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incentives for example if you had

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to recommend I don't know one or two

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Recomendations in this field,

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what would that be?

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If you had the power to change things and

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one or two tools that you

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would like to put in place for Indonesia to improve

25:43

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on that dimension.

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Kalau dari hasil rekomendasi afeksi itu di

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wilayah kepastian hukum untuk pendanaannya.

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Jadi misalnya,

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apakah ini dibuat suatu lembaga?

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Bisa dibuat suatu lembaga seperti badan

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kerjasama yang provinsi gua?

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Karena

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itu sih kepastian hukum yang belum ada,

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belum diatur.

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From the city perspective,

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there is a need or there is a clarification whether

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we need to establish agencies or

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specific bodies to cover the operation

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between districts and cities or neighboring regions.

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And also about the responsibility

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and also the rights and responsibility to parties.

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Bagaimana menurunkannya untuk memiliki klaritas tentang ini.

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Lalu, kalau yang selama ini APEXI lakukan itu

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mereka sesuai kebutuhan,

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Pak. Jadi, misalnya Surabaya butuh jamur.

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Nah, mereka kerjasama di forum APEXI,

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misalnya di Arab Kernas atau Munas,

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tanda tangan FOU,

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untuk menghasil jamur,

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misalnya di Gorong -Talong,

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Kota Gorong -Talong,

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gitu, Pak.

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Semuanya sifatnya insidendal,

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gitu. Tapi itu kan swasta,

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ya? Enggak,

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Pak. Pemerintah Darah,

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jadi dinas terindak,

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gitu.

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Jadi saat ini kan kota mengalami krisis pangan pak,

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terutama pada saat musim kemarau.

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Jadi mereka mencari misalnya cabai,

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bisa juga di kabupaten,

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ada bawang gitu.

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Big cities,

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they have a crisis in some.

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Indonesia is very important.

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Seasoned peppers,

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chili is very important.

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Rice.

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Because it will affect the

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local information,

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right?

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It's very sensitive.

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The weight of their rice,

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chili,

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is a significant difference.

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also security.

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Ya Pak, jadi Kepala Daerah nanti akan mendapat

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peringatan gitu kan Pak?

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Dari Menteri kalau gak bisa mengendalikan kelas.

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Jadi lari aja mungkin ke situ, Pak, di kebutuhan-kebutuhan.

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Nah saat ini kami juga sedang menyusun data potensi daerah,

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Pak, terkait komoditi.

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Jadi arahan ketua APEX ini Bapak Walaikonfer Surabaya

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untuk menghasil bahan pangan

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Baik,

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terima kasih.

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Untuk meningkatkan kerjasama

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antardaerah yang dulu sebetulnya sudah berjalan

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