Session 1 First Half Audio

Jul 31, 2026 05:03 · 21:18 · English · Whisper Turbo · 2 Wasemaji
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Hi Melissa,
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how are you?
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Hello,
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I'm okay.
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Oh, that's great.
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It was really great to meet you last session and,
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you know, just really nice to get to know you and everything about you.
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I'm so glad you came back today for our next session.
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So what's been going on with you?
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Well,
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sort of similar situation,
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still stuff at work.
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So basically...
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I work with a bunch of managers and myself who report
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to our manager.
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Right.
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And the other two managers are okay
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and they seem to have,
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you know, their stuff sort of organized because,
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as I mentioned before,
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like I work with...
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Three different managers who basically take care of three different types of cohorts.
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So one of them takes care of the men's section,
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one of them takes care of the women's section.
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The other one is for youth.
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And the men's and the women's managers
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seem to have their stuff down pat.
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They don't seem to have any issues.
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Their staff seem to be fine and everything like that.
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It's just the one...
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No,
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sorry, it's the youth one.
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The youth manager seems to be fine.
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The men's one seems to be fine.
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It's just the women's one who...
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who just,
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there seems to be sort of like a lot of issues in that area.
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I've had a lot of her staff come to me confidentially because I don't feel like they can
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go to her about stuff.
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And then they've made complaints and I've
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raised it to my manager who,
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again, all of us report to my manager.
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But it seems to be as though my manager is
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shielding her or like protecting her
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lack of...
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or her inability and effectiveness of the work she does.
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And she's been in the role for like four years.
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And the fact that she hasn't done,
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like, for example,
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at this sort of,
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like, refuge, they're meant to have,
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like, an operations manual.
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Right.
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Where, you know,
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if staff need to,
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like, understand the procedural policy,
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that should be in place.
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There's a draft that's been there since,
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like, 2019.
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Right,
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OK. And she's been the manager there for four years.
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Why isn't this updated?
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OK.
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And basically staff are just,
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you know,
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they're sitting there and I use this sort of analogy with her that...
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they're like floating in an ocean with no life prompts because they're looking at
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a draft document which don't have specific clear guidelines on how to act
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in this situation if someone presents and they're under the influence or whatever it
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is.
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Right, okay.
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And there have been lots of complaints.
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I've had meetings with the staff
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who came to me who wanted to speak to me confidentially about
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the situation because they felt comfortable with me.
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And then I said to my manager,
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you need to sit in here because I felt like she was so removed from
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the situation that she didn't understand what was going on on the ground.
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She gives all of us autonomy to do whatever
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we want to do.
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She believes and trusts that we're doing the right thing,
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which me and the other two are doing okay.
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But it's the other one in the women's refuge,
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this manager,
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who basically...
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Needs help and support,
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which I don't think she realises.
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And I don't think she noticed until I brought it to
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lie, until people started speaking up.
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People would just leave work and,
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like, leave the organisation because they just felt like Jasmine's
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her name. She was a blocker.
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She was inexperienced.
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She talked down to staff and,
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you know,
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like,
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for example, you know,
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like, she just put stuff back on them and belittled them.
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A bit passive aggressive,
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would you say?
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No, even more like literally saying,
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oh, don't you have,
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you know, I thought you were more experienced than this.
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Like literally actually say to them stuff like that,
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proper belittling of stuff,
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which is highly inappropriate.
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And it's like the main thing is
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that there's a lot of safety and risk issues around this is what
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I see it as being.
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And this is what the people on the ground are saying to me is that there's a big...
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vulnerability and open area in the fact that we aren't providing staff
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safety basically.
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Because they're like frontline workers really aren't they?
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Frontline workers open to massive risk and we don't have any black and white guidelines
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on what to do in this situation.
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So we've had verbals and oh this is what to do in this situation by the
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way and I keep reiterating to my manager it needs to be a black and white.
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This operations manual should have been done.
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Four years ago when she started.
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Is this the same scene that you were telling me about before?
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Yes.
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Where you were trying to make it really friendly and warm and everything you
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tried to do, she kind of blocked?
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Well,
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she was just more of,
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she saw me as a threat.
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She saw me as a threat coming and taking over because she didn't think of
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this stuff beforehand.
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She doesn't see that,
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you know, she...
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Like, why are people coming to me with this?
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And actually,
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she doesn't even know that so much of her staff came to me.
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Because otherwise,
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she'll think it's a personal attack on her.
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Right.
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So you're kind of like the meat in the sandwich.
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You're the one right in the middle,
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seeing all this side,
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and you're trying to get someone to listen.
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Yes.
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And the thing is,
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it's kind of like not overstepping my boundaries of where I can tell her what to do in this
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situation,
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but going to my manager.
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But also then not shaming my manager for not actually saying that why
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do we have this not in place?
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How is the fact that none of this is here and you're meant to be oversight
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on this?
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Wow,
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that's going to be frustrating.
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It's like walking on a tightrope
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where I'm like needing to not shame my manager.
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because she really should have been onto this because now so many things have exploded
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and incidences have happened where children have been put at risk and,
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like, really bad stuff.
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But the thing is,
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this could have all been prevented if there was oversight to begin with,
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if we actually had an audit of do we have stuff in play.
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Yeah, yeah,
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yeah.
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And...
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And it's interesting because the staff who initially came to me,
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one of them has now left.
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She and I suggested to her go in like the whistleblower line.
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Right.
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And speak up about it.
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Which actually, the funny thing is,
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my manager actually mentioned to one of the other ladies,
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here are the avenues,
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you've got to make a complaint,
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go to the whistleblower line.
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She left.
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And when she got to,
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she put all her thingy in the whistleblower information.
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She used my name as a reference.
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I said, I'm Morgan Malcolm.
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You know what I mean?
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I know what's been going on.
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Use my name.
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And then after all of that,
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they looked at it for two days.
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And the whistleblower is meant to be separate from the actual organisation.
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They wrote back an email.
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The lady didn't even have the hide to call her and said...
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We've spoken to,
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you know, WHNS and,
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you know,
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which is basically,
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you know, workplace whatever,
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health and safety,
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whatever, as well as,
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like, my manager and whatever.
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They're satisfied that everything's in place and on the ground and
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we're here now that you've moved on and good luck in your job.
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That was the...
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Wow.
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That was literally the investigation.
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They didn't have the courtesy to call her.
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To get an actual statement.
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To actually say,
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let me hear your side of the story,
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other than the fact that whatever she wrote,
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nothing whatsoever.
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And I thought, oh,
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my God, that is the most negligent thing I have ever seen in my entire life,
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particularly from a whistleblower with me.
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How is anyone going to want to speak up about this?
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Mind you,
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nothing is still in place on the ground.
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I had a meeting with my manager yesterday saying,
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oh, no, the other guy,
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a couple of days ago,
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telling her,
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here's what's outstanding on here,
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and basically saying to her,
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I'm concerned that Jasmine has,
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you know,
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with her basically management...
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How do I frame this?
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But basically, I'll just tell you not as how I said it to her.
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Oh, that's fine.
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I have an issue with...
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I'm concerned that she isn't going to get this done in time.
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She had a deadline of putting this operations manual together after we discovered it
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wasn't done in January.
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My manager gave it to the end of 30th of June.
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We're now in July.
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And I said to her,
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when are we going to get this done?
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She's saying, oh,
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it's a 70 -page document,
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90 -page document,
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Melissa.
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You know,
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it's probably not going to get done until,
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you know, I'll push it until the end of July.
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And then I said to my manager again,
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Because she sits in the office,
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I know that she gets distracted a lot.
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I don't think she realises that she needs to actually time block this stuff.
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She needs to book herself into a room somewhere away from everyone where she
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needs to focus on this.
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This is a massive high priority.
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Like, I can't emphasise this enough.
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Staff are running like anything can
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happen at any moment and they don't know what to do.
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And verbals are not doing it.
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They need clear instructions.
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Well,
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I can imagine in that front line,
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situation things are happening really quickly yes and the document becomes like
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a lifeline like something physical I can read I can focus on it's in clear black
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and white here are the instructions you know if someone comes at me call the police
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or whatever it is yeah yeah yeah and um it's also a
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protection because yes absolutely it protects them as well it's not just a hearsay
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of like
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Oh, you know,
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here's what my manager told me because then the manager can go back saying,
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well, we didn't say that or whatever it was.
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It needs to be in writing.
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And I've been...
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advocating for them really like doing it's not even my role to
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kind of like be doing this but I'm kind of like I've tied it in with my responsibilities of
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like making sure that staff experiences so my my
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role is to basically ensure that outcomes I guess from every aspect it delivered
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particularly for the customer but in order for us to get outcomes for the customer
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Everyone plays a role in that.
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Staff.
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Staff are not satisfied.
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If we don't have everything for the staff,
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that means in terms of safety,
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security, what they need to do,
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their role and everything like that,
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it's going to impact on outcomes for customers.
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So I'm looking at this very holistically.
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And for me,
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that's a massive issue right now.
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And,
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you know,
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like,
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when I said to her...
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You know, I don't know how great her time management skills are and
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was really sort of emphasising that in the way that I'm sort of saying it now,
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like being sort of like serious,
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but also like not basically trying
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to shame her in this way.
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Yeah.
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Saying perhaps,
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you know,
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yeah,
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but also kind of like being stern.
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She just said to me,
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I get your point.
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Yeah,
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I get your point.
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And then just.
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Kind of like,
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not brushed it off,
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but I know that she has an issue with having,
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she doesn't like conflict.
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Yeah, doesn't like confrontation.
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Doesn't like confrontation,
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whereas I am,
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I'm happy with confrontation.
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Yeah.
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Very well,
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especially if it's like for fighting for people who don't have a voice.
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You have a very high sense of injustice.
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You don't,
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I can really say that.
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And someone needs to speak to them because they've had a blocker with their manager.
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I mean, there's a power imbalance there.
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No one wants to go and get a manager.
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So they've come to me and said,
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I'm absolutely going to challenge my manager in that situation,
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even though it's still like a tightrope for me.
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Because I've only been in there for like a year.
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Wow.
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And they've all had relationships for like eight years.
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They've all got their sort of clicks and stuff.
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So you're like the new kid still?
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I'm completely the new kid on the block.
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I noticed when you were talking before.
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that when you said like you know they don't have these things in place
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and then something goes wrong and you immediately held yourself oh
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did i okay so what what are you feeling when
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you're doing that what do you think is i feel like um i
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always go with my hands i think it's a european thing as well um
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maybe because i'm always a fighter with things but i just feel like someone needs to fight in
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this situation and that it's just a sense of urgency
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Like, I can't emphasise how important and urgent this is.
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And I've come from a background where I wasn't working in this type of environment,
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but from a very corporate environment where we
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were very risk adverse.
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Very risk adverse.
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I've grown up.
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It's just been built in me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And now I've come into this sort of laxed,
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really sort of casual...
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seemingly environment where we actually have even more of a high risk
12:45
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yeah with vulnerable people that are really getting seriously vulnerable
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people you know with unbelievable mental health issues psychosis
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schizophrenia like all of this type of stuff happening homelessness dv
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yeah so much dv um and you'd think
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in that environment it would be even more risk averse and high level of
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stuff but it's it's it's not in this sort of
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cohort of you know with this manager and stuff and I relate that to
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the fact that she herself had issues going on when she was younger and
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it has actually impacted her ability her view
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of risk and safety is completely opposite of what a
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normal person's risk and safety would be
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So she had abuse,
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she had,
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you know,
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sexual stuff happen to her and stuff.
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And I know that she hasn't been to a therapist because she's told me she's never been to a therapist.
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So she believes and sees when people are telling her,
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I don't feel safe and this isn't a risk.
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She sees that as being,
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that's nothing.
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And her persona is to toughen up.
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But that's not how you act in this relationship and in this way because
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you're shunning the worker and you're listening to them.
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They're screaming out saying,
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I don't feel safe,
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I don't feel safe,
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you know,
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at work and all this stuff,
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and she's completely ignoring them.
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Because it's a different idea of safety.
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Her idea of safety is someone actually going to be down the door with a baseball bat
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or whatever.
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Yes. I'm just over -exaggerating.
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But even still,
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in that instance,
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she would still...
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That's not how people should work.
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You know what I mean?
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It's just mind -boggling.
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And, yeah,
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and then I feel like my managers...
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safeguarding her in a way by like maybe
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it's maybe it's I feel like maybe I am shaming her in a way not
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intentionally but to show that why the hell hasn't this been looked at
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and sorted she needs desperate coaching and she took on my
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feedback and I know she took on my feedback because she started to use that language that I was saying
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in her words when she was describing it because
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I initially said for example
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I think she was coaching.
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She then started to do coaching with her.
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And then...
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She also said to her,
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you know, you can't force anyone to get a therapist,
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obviously.
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But I think now she's,
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I think now she might be like speaking to the EPA or whatever it is,
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like, you know, the workplace,
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whatever, and getting stuff herself to sort of help her.
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Great.
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So I can see,
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like, I feel like that's sort of like small wins.
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But in a way,
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my manager's the one to sort of give people a chance in things.
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And that's great.
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She gave me a chance in the role when this wasn't my industry.
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Yeah.
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But I'm very well adaptable to my role.
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Yeah.
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And I, you know what I mean?
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Like, I'm also very,
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I have a really high work ethic.
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Yeah.
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I'm not a laxed person.
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I take everything in life seriously,
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including my work.
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And I get the sense of very self -reflective.
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Yes.
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Well,
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yeah.
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I'm a lot in my head,
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that's for sure.
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Yeah. But I just,
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I just,
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I think what's eating me is the fact that...
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She can't have these serious conversations and it's too delicate for her to have these serious
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conversations with this manager who she obviously knows and gave her a chance
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with.
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But I'm also shaming her and on her back with like,
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how is this not done?
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And like screaming because they're not screaming,
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but like really keep pushing.
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You know,
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we need to get this in place.
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We need to get this in place.
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So I'm just really like,
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I don't know.
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I just don't understand how this has been like this.
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Yeah, I can see.
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So you've got a few emotions churning around in there.
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I get the sense you're really about,
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you don't like injustice.
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You have a strong sense of being the protector.
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You like to make sure everybody's safe and calm and
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heard and validated.
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Yes,
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for sure.
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Really great.
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But then you've got this other layer of frustration and...
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I don't have the power to do this,
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but someone else does.
17:01
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Why are we not pushing this?
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Yeah.
17:04
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So that then leads to more frustration.
17:07
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Yeah.
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So how are you dealing with that sense of frustration?
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I don't know if we're at anger,
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but there's definitely that sense.
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No, no, no.
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It's not anger.
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It's kind of like,
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I don't know,
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like I said, I think a lot.
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And I just,
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the way that I analyse how things are happening,
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I mean, like, I know how things are happening,
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but...
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The way that I analyse this behaviour is from my manager.
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Maybe she's just been so casually
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in her role because she's been there for like 20 years.
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On Monday,
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she said to me, it was like 20 years,
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her anniversary.
17:40
S… Speaker 1 (Session 1 First Half Audio)
Sometimes when you sit in a role too much,
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you get so casual and relaxed with it that you have an inability to see
17:47
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the sort of things that are on the ground where someone new coming into you can spot everything
17:51
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on a microscopic level.
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And, you know,
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just,
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yeah.
17:59
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And you've got these people who I assume are quite emotional coming to you.
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They are.
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And I,
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because then I take my role really seriously and their stuff
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I carry because I want to get back to them.
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I want to action their stuff.
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I want to make sure that we've got timelines in.
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So my next catch up with my manager in two weeks,
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somebody will be like, have we sent out that email?
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I said to her,
18:20
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you need to put something in writing.
18:21
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In an email,
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in lieu of not having the operations manual finalised because we know
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that this manager hasn't done it,
18:28
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in lieu of the fact that we need to have an AOD,
18:31
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alcohol and drug policy,
18:32
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in place for what we do when we have someone who comes and
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we need to evict them,
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in lieu of not having that out,

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