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Pennad 1: You · Speaker 1

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Pennad 2: You · Speaker 1

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Pennad 3: Well, we can hear you. 70s · Speaker 1

Well, we can hear you. Clear? Yes, we can hear you. My name is Nolte Pumoy. I am a STEM intern. I think it will play a role in terms of creating an easy environment for all of us. Thank you very much for making time a new party for us. This…
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Pennad 4: in this sector? · Speaker 3

in this sector?
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Pennad 5: Kenya Chamber of Mines can check if they are the ones playing the music. 162s · Speaker 1

Kenya Chamber of Mines can check if they are the ones playing the music. The host. Sorting out the technicalities of this. There is a wonderful spirit of music that has been going on, but finally, the music is down and the real music is abo…
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Pennad 6: I see Brian has been has been demoted to a listener that is grave mistake to happen to our CEO. 184s · Speaker 4

I see Brian has been has been demoted to a listener that is grave mistake to happen to our CEO. But I know shortly is going to be given the microphone, even as we saw that technicality out. How about we have the chair himself? I know he's a…
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Pennad 7: Fuck that. 301s · Speaker 3

Fuck that. As of December last year, the national debt was standing at 12.3 billion shillings. Last year, among the leading five exports for the country, the top is tea, which earned this nation $1.5 billion. Put in context in our mining la…
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Pennad 8: ask a normal kenyan on the street what minerals do we have in the country most likely we'll say two or three and i'm pretty sure we have more than that in fact a study was conducted uh a while back to map out the minerals in the country it seems that particular report is not yet out in totality so the ps will also help us understand where the report is so ladies and gentlemen please help me welcome the principal secretary in charge of mining in kenya hondra bar henry henry kim tai harry kim tai my apologies when appears the floor is yours you can just unmute thank you thank you noah and uh let me also take this opportunity to thank the organizers of this dialogue i need that it has come right time and I was telling the chair this morning when we held our meeting that indeed this dialogue is long overdue. 302s · Speaker 1

ask a normal kenyan on the street what minerals do we have in the country most likely we'll say two or three and i'm pretty sure we have more than that in fact a study was conducted uh a while back to map out the minerals in the country it …
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Pennad 9: and then we have also worked on other legislations number two we have uh the trying to look at how do we handle the additional miners so we have now come up with the cabinet number one decriminalize uh additional mining whereby it was allowed that they can continue doing their uh business without getting the permits so if the external miners are separate they can continue nobody can interfere with them but the small scale miners can now get permits and we have decentralized this uh permitting whereby we we have the county uh ethanol mining committee which then looks at the procedures so you requirements for giving the small-scale miners their permits to work within a certain area. 304s · Speaker 1

and then we have also worked on other legislations number two we have uh the trying to look at how do we handle the additional miners so we have now come up with the cabinet number one decriminalize uh additional mining whereby it was allow…
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Pennad 10: If I take the one for Isulu, Bushangala, that translates to, there was a time we were given the figure, using the current figures that time, it was coming to a value of 680 billion Kenya shillings. 306s · Speaker 1

If I take the one for Isulu, Bushangala, that translates to, there was a time we were given the figure, using the current figures that time, it was coming to a value of 680 billion Kenya shillings. Now, with that alone, if the country start…
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Pennad 11: of our devolved system we also take cognizance the fact that now that is as own source revenue for a particular county and therefore the act gave them 20 percent then it goes further and says look as much as the county has the right to get revenue also from the resources within the county the community that does that is going to be affected by the mining activity must also benefit from this resource and that's why In the royalty, the community, the affected community, gets 10%. 304s · Speaker 1

of our devolved system we also take cognizance the fact that now that is as own source revenue for a particular county and therefore the act gave them 20 percent then it goes further and says look as much as the county has the right to get …
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Pennad 12: Sometimes if you lack goodwill in the legislative chamber of this country, it becomes very difficult to effect change. 105s · Speaker 1

Sometimes if you lack goodwill in the legislative chamber of this country, it becomes very difficult to effect change. And we have the chairperson, the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining, Honorable Engineer Vincent M…
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Pennad 13: uh but brand please unmute thank you so much uh noah for the invitation and also allow me to also appreciate our our peers the honorable harriet mtai for honoring us and uh appearing to speak to us and welcome us and open the dialogue it is very important that uh we can have our our government listening and responding to you know the call of wanainchi to to a forum such as this one so thank you very much honorable ps for coming to join us and i think when we met you earlier today and as we have always met with you one of the things is um the size of our sector at uh you know 0. 224s · Speaker 2

uh but brand please unmute thank you so much uh noah for the invitation and also allow me to also appreciate our our peers the honorable harriet mtai for honoring us and uh appearing to speak to us and welcome us and open the dialogue it is…
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Pennad 14: you freely today is is really listening so whatever idea whatever perspective that each of us has this is our forum we s… 300s · Speaker 1

you freely today is is really listening so whatever idea whatever perspective that each of us has this is our forum we speak to one another respectfully uh the ps and senior government officials are on the call kenya chamber of minds the ci…
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Pennad 15: But right now, even as we sort that particular issue out, you'll be a little bit patient with us. 70s · Speaker 1

But right now, even as we sort that particular issue out, you'll be a little bit patient with us. I see we have quite a number of people joining us. And at this particular moment, we have also representation from academia. We have youth in …
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Pennad 16: Yeah, thank you, Noah. 183s · Speaker 2

Yeah, thank you, Noah. And of course, thank you to all our speakers, the Honourable Principal Secretary, Mr. Harike Mutai. And I see our mining secretaries here, Mr. Thomas Mutuiwa, and of course, Dr. Kanyoro with KCM and the CEO, Brian. No…
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Pennad 17: All right. 92s · Speaker 1

All right. Thank you very much, uh, Joshua, uh, for, you know, giving voice and context, uh, when you talk about young people, uh, from the technical engagement to, uh, going deep. I mean, mining has various value chains and, uh, these, uh,…
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Pennad 18: thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak to kenyans and beyond the borders of kenya i'm the dean of the school … 236s · Speaker 2

thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak to kenyans and beyond the borders of kenya i'm the dean of the school of mines and engineering at taita taveta university which is kenya's premier university of mining education with the und…
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Pennad 19: okay thank you very much dr and i know we are already past eight I'll request all of us to be a bit patient with us, kindly bear with us, we'll extend a few minutes extra, but even as we do so, I know you're listening and you have lots of questions on the Kenya Chamber of Minds, pinned tweets, okay? 89s · Speaker 1

okay thank you very much dr and i know we are already past eight I'll request all of us to be a bit patient with us, kindly bear with us, we'll extend a few minutes extra, but even as we do so, I know you're listening and you have lots of q…
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Pennad 20: I've been having challenges with my microphone. 306s · Speaker 2

I've been having challenges with my microphone. It's okay. It's Michelle, right? Yes. Michelle speaking. Okay. Michelle kindly paint for us the picture of women participation in this sector. But other than that, what, where we are as a coun…
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Pennad 21: with the previous regulations and now with the new regulations, are there still gaps that we're seeing? 304s · Speaker 2

with the previous regulations and now with the new regulations, are there still gaps that we're seeing? Or is this regulation really bringing in the change that we need? So if I can find Miriam, you can just request. Okay. See, there you go…
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Pennad 22: months meaning you can uh apply for a permit uh we will get the apartment we'll get the license but you have 90 days to comply before then it was a bit difficult so uh with those kind of initiatives we uh we we know that we are getting somewhere in terms of regulations of course uh uh there are some regulations that are still in uh you know uh matters that we cannot uh comment on because there are still some issues uh in court in regard to some regulations that uh were rolled out in 2024 but overall what we need to do as industry as communities as government is to have continuous and consistent engagement having said that now so that i do not take more than my two three minutes it's i would want to say that for us to be able to move this sector from where we are the one percent or thereabout to the 10 percent that we envisage one of the things we need to do and i think this is something that i will say without a doubt remember we say that gold was the top export earning uh you know uh item in 1942 now i am not saying that we need to go back to gold but i am looking at gold and all other minerals put together as having an opportunity to make a huge contribution just to make to drive this point home if you look at for example last year the reading export was the reading export product was tea which earned kenya 1. 205s · Speaker 1

months meaning you can uh apply for a permit uh we will get the apartment we'll get the license but you have 90 days to comply before then it was a bit difficult so uh with those kind of initiatives we uh we we know that we are getting some…
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Pennad 23: resistance between the large scale players and the ASMs. 128s · Speaker 3

resistance between the large scale players and the ASMs. We cannot wish the ASMs away. These are Kenyan citizens, they need to earn their livelihoods, they have Medicare, they have school fees to pay, and it is important that while we also …
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Pennad 24: then you can speak. 169s · Speaker 2

then you can speak. Hello? Can hear you. Yeah. As I was saying, being seated in the industry for maybe some years, I think I would like to share of these issues which you have been having, especially our chair has really put it right, you k…
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Pennad 25: Thank you. 297s · Speaker 1

Thank you. that's all i can say all right um thank you very much i hope i'm being hard after i i think i had a challenge with um with the politics of my microphone uh but uh i'm back so miriam thank you very much that issue of politicizing …
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Pennad 26: come into the country and invest in the mining sector oh you know uh we are all in it together and we want to work toget… 140s · Speaker 3

come into the country and invest in the mining sector oh you know uh we are all in it together and we want to work together so that together become successful thank you so much okay thank you very much uh thomas uh for that and even at it i…
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Pennad 27: uh thank you uh thank you uh greetings to us all i i really appreciate this opportunity to also make a contribution on b… 159s · Speaker 1

uh thank you uh thank you uh greetings to us all i i really appreciate this opportunity to also make a contribution on behalf of the faith best um to this story of uh mining and i appreciate a lot kcm for bringing us together uh i represent…
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Pennad 28: water and air are also God's gift to us. 123s · Speaker 6

water and air are also God's gift to us. And as we do the mining activity and the stakeholders are here from the government to, you know, all the sectors are represented here, the church is very concerned about how do we safeguard the envir…
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Pennad 29: All right. 84s · Speaker 4

All right. Thank you, Kevin, for being the voice of faith-based organisations, critical pillar in this conversation. I see times really moving, guys. I know you had scheduled just an hour for this, but as you can tell, there's a lot to unpa…
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Pennad 30: thank you, Noah. 67s · Speaker 3

thank you, Noah. I hope I'm audible and you can hear me. Maybe just give me a thumbs up if you can hear me. But, yes, to attempt to your question, thank you. Maybe I'll even just start by, first of all, you know, commenting KCM for setting …
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Pennad 31: artisanal and small-scale minors. 302s · Speaker 7

artisanal and small-scale minors. Currently, we are running a program, the gold program, which is done in Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda. And what I'll just briefly say is that we graduate minors. If you're an artisanal minor, our objective is…
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Pennad 32: collect. So sometimes, you know, there's that sort of a confusion because we also do help artisanal miners and small scale miners to, you know, go through the formalization process, understand how to apply and that sort of a thing. 310s · Speaker 1

collect. So sometimes, you know, there's that sort of a confusion because we also do help artisanal miners and small scale miners to, you know, go through the formalization process, understand how to apply and that sort of a thing. So we ar…
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Pennad 33: happened how are we going then how are we going then how are we going then how are we going to restore the public trust on this process I have six questions, sir. 302s · Speaker 1

happened how are we going then how are we going then how are we going then how are we going to restore the public trust on this process I have six questions, sir. I will turn this even out. I know, Ikeb Kavai. Thank you very much for those …
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Pennad 34: is promised in terms of possibility, to give us revenues, is Amaia stuff. 83s · Speaker 1

is promised in terms of possibility, to give us revenues, is Amaia stuff. it is for the opportunity. In terms of the people who will be displaced, we are still working on the numbers and we will actually make these public funds indicate the…
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Pennad 35: Cyrus? Yes, sir. 307s · Speaker 4

Cyrus? Yes, sir. I hope you can hear me. Loud and clear. Please proceed. Great. Thank you. No time is spent. I wish to be brief and just to mention that I'm here to represent the interests of the Mining Engineers Society of Kenya. And also …
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Pennad 36: We were just laying foundation, but we'll have this on a regular basis. 107s · Speaker 1

We were just laying foundation, but we'll have this on a regular basis. I'd like to invite back the CEO of the Kenya Chamber of Mines, Brian Simiu. You can, the stage is here, sir. Brian, can you, can you, are you able to unmute? Or I need …
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Pennad 37: Thank you very much, Noah. 82s · Speaker 7

Thank you very much, Noah. I first want to say that we are greatly encouraged by this inaugural dialogue. I want to thank you, Noah, for moderating this session for us. We also want to thank everyone, every person who has spoken tonight, ev…
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Pennad 38: you know, bringing everybody on board, so that we see how to keep these conversations active. 130s · Speaker 2

you know, bringing everybody on board, so that we see how to keep these conversations active. Thank you for the good of the mining sector now and for the future of this country. That's Anteni Sanna, and we thank you for making time for us. …
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Pennad 39: So, yeah. 78s · Speaker 5

So, yeah. So we'll continue with this dialogue. It is very important. And that's to say that criticism function like pain. It shows where there's a problem. So we welcome members to really interrogate and be able to point out where issues a…
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Pennad 40: Hello? Yes, Rashid. 76s · Speaker 7

Hello? Yes, Rashid. How are you? My name is Rashid. I'm sorry, I wanted to talk about mining in Mweale, in the Bell area. But since that time will not allow me, I'll just say, tutakuwa na wakati ingine pamoja. Sha Allah. Asante Rashid. And …
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Pennad 41: Yeah, thank you, Noah. 94s · Speaker 2

Yeah, thank you, Noah. So thank you very much to everyone who has joined us this evening. And I would like to specifically appreciate our moderator, Noah, for the good job you have done today, our speakers, and even the mining cocasters at …
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Pennad 42: all right good night thank you very much laiza thank you the chamber and thank you for all of us thank you for all of us… 7s · Speaker 1

all right good night thank you very much laiza thank you the chamber and thank you for all of us thank you for all of us we've made time god bless you bye bye god bless you bye bye