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I guess that's the first one today.
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Aye.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, good stuff.
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Yeah.
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So,
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yeah, I suppose the first question would be,
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you know, what attracted you to the story of,
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I suppose both Sir Douglas Weatherford,
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I mean, the name itself comes with a great amount of humour,
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doesn't it?
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye, exactly.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
So the name,
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and also,
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you know, Kenneth as well,
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because really interesting character,
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and I thought Peter Mullen,
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perfect fit to play him,
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you know. Aye.
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But before we get into Peter's role,
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what kind of...
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attracted you to both those stories,
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if you like.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah.
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So,
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the Weatherford thing,
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no worries.
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Honestly,
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I don't know where the name came from.
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Douglas Weatherford.
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It's Douglas, Scottish name.
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Weatherford,
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the weather.
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It was literally something like that.
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But the idea for that
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character, that was like the...
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you know, we're proud of,
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like, the Enlightenment era,
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especially Edinburgh,
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you know what I mean?
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We've got David Hume and Adam Smith kind of thing,
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and we're kind of Scottish people,
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I guess, brought up to be proud of our inventors.
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Yeah.
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So that was kind of,
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yeah, that was where he came from.
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He saw an amalgam of these figures that we've kind of learned about
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when we're growing up.
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And,
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yeah,
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the idea was...
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in the Grapefriars Kirkyard with my wife in the
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Thomas Riddle grave there and going coming back
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and showing her the city for the first time she's from Dubai and
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I showed her I don't know why we went to the graveyard but we
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were there and there's a lot of tourists in capes
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and stuff like that
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It was like a Harry Potter tour,
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basically.
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And they were in front of that gravestone.
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And I didn't know who that was,
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Thomas Riddle.
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My wife told me it was Voldemort,
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and I learned more about it.
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But I just found it interesting that this guy,
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Thomas Riddle,
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the real man who's dead,
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who died in 1803,
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I think it was,
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as a captain in the British Army in Trinidad.
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So I was like...
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interested in what happened in Trinidad in 1803 and it was like that's when
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the British took it over basically and turned it into a plantation I didn't know this
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either by the way so I'm going to have a look at it it's an interesting kind
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of thing but then it's like obviously that's not considered now that's
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now Voldemort so it's just like that was the interest
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Was Pete there,
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basically.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, that's brilliant.
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And what about the role of Kenneth?
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Because, you know,
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I suppose it's interesting.
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I'm intrigued to see how the audience react.
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But, you know,
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we start by feeling...
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a lot of we'll start on this I suppose but a lot of sympathy for Kenneth and his grief
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you know and he's dealing with these changes in the area and exactly what you're talking about
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there but then eventually we
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see that grief turning into something much darker you know and it's
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interesting to play with the audience I suppose in a sense well they still be on Kenneth's
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side towards the end of the film but I wonder if you could just unpack that a little bit Sean
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah I mean I guess that's the
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The difficult thing was,
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and maybe some of the questions that financiers
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or whoever had,
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producers or whatever had,
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how will the audience sort of get on board with him?
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Yeah.
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Because of some of his
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beliefs, maybe his belief system and through his behaviour,
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he's quite a dogged,
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not necessarily likeable person,
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you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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He's quite closed off in a way.
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But I think that we kind of,
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audiences like characters who,
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what do you call it,
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like the underdog a little bit,
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or like somebody who believes in something.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
That's great,
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thank you.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Mullen seems perfect for that sort of role where he brings
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a great energy to the part but he plays these
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stubborn guys on the fringes a little bit and he
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really brings them to life.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Was Peter Mullen your original choice for the
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part?
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I didn't have...
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I didn't have an idea who it would be.
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The casting director suggested that we could send
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the script to Peter and I said yes,
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that would be nice.
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And then he's pretty quick to agree to do it,
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so it wasn't like I necessarily had him in mind or anything,
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but once I found out that he would be interested,
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I couldn't really see past it.
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He does bring that gravitas,
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he brings a humanity to him as a character,
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even if he can be a little bit dislikable sometimes.
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He's also authentic.
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Peter is an actor.
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He doesn't do anything that he doesn't feel kind of thing.
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So I think when the audience is watching that,
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a character believe in something and fight for something in
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a way, no matter what it is,
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you kind of get on board with him a bit.
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So I think maybe that's how that...
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Didn't answer your first question,
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that's how that's sort of bridged.
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But you get on board,
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you get behind him because you see how passionate he is and that kind of
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thing.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
You know, the interesting thing about Peter is he's our director as well.
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I mean,
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I remember I wrote my dissertation on orphans.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Did you?
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Oh, cool.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
It was an amazing film.
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And I got to speak to him.
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I remember one story he told me.
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I wanted to ask you about this.
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He was arguing with Ken Loach about the ending of My Name is Joe.
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And I wondered if he did that at any point with you because I thought this is brilliant.
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Because did he ever say,
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no, my character wouldn't do this.
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Did he do that?
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Oh, yeah.
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Peter.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, he didn't tell me that story,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
no, but I'm not surprised that he did do that.
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Yeah,
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yeah. Every day was a bit of a challenge,
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but in a good way.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, in a good way, yeah,
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yeah. That's not surprised.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye, I don't think I'd...
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
No, he wouldn't do that.
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Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Okay,
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but that's kind of what we set up to shoot and I've written this.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
It's really interesting.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye, but it's better for it,
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obviously.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Especially in reflection.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Could you give me an example?
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I'll tell you the one scene I thought where,
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you know, when he throws the sword away and the guy that's being threatened
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basically says,
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no, let him go.
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And I thought,
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I could imagine Peter saying,
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no, the guy would press charges on him.
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Did he say that at all?
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
He didn't say that,
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but that's probably because he wouldn't want to step on any other actor's toes kind
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of thing, you know what I mean?
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He's actually so respectful of his fellow actors and all that.
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He's like,
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even when you've not got the camera on him.
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Yeah.
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But he has lines,
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you know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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He'll be there.
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Yeah.
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And that's not always the case.
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Yeah, that's brilliant.
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He's really dedicated like that.
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But definitely one example where,
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excuse me,
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is when he elbows the guy.
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Oh, yeah.
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In the script they punched him,
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basically. And he was like,
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nah, he wouldn't do that,
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he wouldn't punch him.
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He's not that kind of guy.
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Because in the script they actually got a lot darker,
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right? Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, his argument was if you're punching somebody for the first time,
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which he thinks Kenneth would have been punching somebody for the first time,
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you get all filled with adrenaline.
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Yeah.
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So he's like,
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yeah. So that was one time,
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but he'd done it throughout.
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Right, right.
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Yeah, the ideas.
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It's really interesting.
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I thought Kerry Fox,
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that was a great cameo part.
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I mean, she was perfect for that role as well,
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wasn't she?
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Did you think of her or was that just,
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how did that come about?
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That was,
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my friend is friends with her,
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basically.
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So it was that kind of way.
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We hadn't cast that until,
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when we were trying to cast that,
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I wasn't sure.
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And then,
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yeah, my friend suggested,
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and Kerry was brilliant.
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She came up for the day and done it.
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Yeah,
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no, she was really good.
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She was brilliant to work with.
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Brilliant, brilliant.
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I mean,
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within all that,
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you know, I mean, Gary McCormack is very fantastic,
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you know.
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It sounds like that old Edinburgh cliche,
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but my grandparents were friends with his parents.
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Really?
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The only wee cottage in Dunbar,
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and his mum and dad,
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Joe and Nancy, used to go and stay at it.
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Right.
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Gary's such a character.
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Oh, aye.
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But,
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yeah, I watched your short film this morning,
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and I thought that was great as well.
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I could really see...
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parallels here with like this this idea of a certain identity yeah
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and feeling that you're a bit of an outsider within your identity but how it how it kind
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of crushes other people like gary's character the wife the
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son obviously i had to watch it twice actually because i kind of i was watching it
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on a small screen and i missed the suicide i went back and actually
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you know um kate dickie's character
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Is it hard that it's in the car that has the affair with the other guy in the car?
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Yeah, because it wasn't clear the screen I was on,
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but I could really see parallels between these two films,
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Sean.
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Could you talk a wee bit about that?
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Would you say that was...
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Do you see that?
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Was that an idea you've been thinking about or working
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on for a while?
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Definitely about identity and,
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like, people...
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I think people being caught in their...
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What's the word?
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Like, their identity being formed through things that are,
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I don't know,
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I mean, I'm not saying bad about people,
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but it can be quite dogmatic.
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People, like, close themselves off,
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that's my identity,
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that's who I am.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And I guess,
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yeah,
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that was Gary's character in that film.
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And I guess she was kind of trapped in that system,
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in that world,
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Kate Dickey's character.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
And then for Kenneth,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
same problem with him,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I guess, is he's formed an identity.
10:00
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
to the place where he's from through
10:04
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
this sort of character,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
he wants to take ownership of that.
10:08
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I don't know,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I just think that's a fool's pursuit,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
is that the word?
10:16
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
It's not really the most important things in life that go beyond
10:21
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
that, family and things like that.
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
He sort of doesn't see that,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Kenneth.
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
He's like, that's the most important thing to him in the world.
10:29
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
So maybe,
10:30
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
like, yeah,
10:31
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
identity and,
10:32
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
like, tribalism.
10:34
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah, yeah.
10:35
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Tribalism,
10:36
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
definitely, for sure.
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
The themes are,
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like, things that gravitate towards.
10:40
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
But it's not,
10:43
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
it wasn't that conscious.
10:44
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah,
10:45
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
yeah.
10:45
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
For British,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
by the grace of God,
10:48
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
it was, I mean,
10:50
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
we had a lot of time to think about nationalism and,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
on one side,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Scottish nationalism,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
SNP,
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and...
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
that whole thing and then we had the
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
The Brexit thing as well,
11:01
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
so I think we've been contending with the idea of nationalism for a while.
11:04
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Absolutely, yeah.
11:05
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
You know what I mean? I thought it was interesting hearing Farage's voice
11:09
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
in the film as well and where we're at at the moment.
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I can't believe it.
11:13
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I know,
11:14
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
so much going on there.
11:15
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Gary McCormack as well,
11:17
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I've got to ask you, but just seeing Gary play the part,
11:20
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
there's a certain amount of pomp,
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and with the voiceover it works so well.
11:25
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Is it the actor,
11:26
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
is it Hyde?
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Jonathan Hyde,
11:28
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yeah.
11:28
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
How did you come about that idea,
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getting the voiceover with Gary in the role?
11:33
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
First of all,
11:35
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I'd say Gary.
11:35
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Gary, I'd have him in all my films.
11:38
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
He's a good friend of mine now.
11:40
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
He's a great guy.
11:42
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
But with the voiceover itself,
11:46
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
that came later,
11:48
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
actually.
11:49
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
It wasn't in the screenplay.
11:50
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
The edit was a long one,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
basically.
11:55
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
My wife edited it,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
so we had a lot of time editing.
11:58
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Did you meet in film school then?
11:59
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye, we met in film school over there.
12:02
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
She's edited the shorts.
12:05
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
She didn't start off editing the feature,
12:08
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
but then she came in.
12:09
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
It was just like kicking about ideas.
12:13
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One day I could have a voiceover.
12:18
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And we were actually able to try it out with AI.
12:21
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I don't know if I should be saying that.
12:24
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Maybe I'll get in trouble.
12:25
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
But to be honest,
12:27
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I was able to time things with that and then obviously
12:31
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
get Jonathan actually done it.
12:33
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
So,
12:35
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
yeah.
12:35
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
It works really well.
12:39
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Were you from Edinburgh?
12:40
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Because I wanted to ask,
12:41
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
you know, does Edinburgh kind of inform the stories you want to tell?
12:45
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Because I could definitely see an element of that,
12:47
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
you know, certainly in the short film and even thinking about,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
you know, Kenneth in a way.
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He's sort of a bit of an art.
12:53
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
We all know guys a bit like Kenneth as well.
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Yeah,
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totally.
12:56
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I probably can't help but inform somewhere
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in my brain when I'm trying to come up with an idea or whatever,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
definitely.
13:02
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I went to Leith Academy,
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S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Craig and Tinney areas where I...
13:08
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
where I was brought up.
13:09
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
Hibs fan.
13:11
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
my son plays for Hibs,
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S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
actually. Does he?
13:15
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Well, he won player of the year for under -15s.
13:18
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Amazing.
13:19
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
So it's been an amazing season.
13:20
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
What's his name?
13:20
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Ryan Purgdon.
13:21
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Ryan Purgdon.
13:22
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I'll show you a picture at the end,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
actually, because he's...
13:25
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
he just played the final at Celtic Park,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
against Celtic,
13:28
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
but probably wasn't the best move,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
because it was a home game for Celtic,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
where Falkirk was mooted,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
but they never did it,
13:35
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
so they did get beat in the final,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
but what a job it was,
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
because he went out with a broken collarbone,
13:39
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
so he was out for a few games,
13:40
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
and then he,
13:41
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
what was the other thing he did,
13:43
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
he scored against Hearts,
13:45
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
but got a concussion,
13:48
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
and I'm like, but he's still got a play in the year,
13:51
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
so it's been something,
13:52
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
you know, but it's been amazing.
13:54
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Yeah, that's amazing. That takes a lot.
13:58
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Like, for you, dedication to get to where he is now.
14:00
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I know, it's been years.
14:01
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Ever since he was,
14:02
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
like, tiny, he's just loved kicking up all day.
14:04
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
But I'll talk to you about that and I'll get back to this because there's still a few things to ask.
14:08
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I don't know where I was there.
14:09
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Was it Peter?
14:10
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Or, hang on,
14:12
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I think I'd asked you something that's gone up my house.
14:14
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Oh,
14:15
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
no, coming from Edinburgh.
14:16
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye. That was it.
14:17
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Yeah, so I suppose,
14:18
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
like, you know, coming from Edinburgh and that informing your sort of,
14:21
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
your ideas,
14:22
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
the writing, what kind of films,
14:24
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
stories you want to tell,
14:25
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
that kind of thing.
14:25
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Definitely.
14:27
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
As I said,
14:27
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
it can't help,
14:28
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
but it's just where you're from and it's always...
14:32
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Aye.
14:33
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
It isn't really that conscious,
14:36
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I don't think.
14:37
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
I would definitely make films elsewhere if I was given an
14:41
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
opportunity.
14:43
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
a big franchise film or something.
14:45
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
You know what I mean?
14:47
S… Speaker 3 (260610_0490)
But it definitely feeds into it for sure.
14:50
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
What other films were an influence?
14:54
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I wondered,
14:55
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
it doesn't have to be,
14:56
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
but I thought maybe any Peter Mullen films or maybe...
15:00
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Like, you know, I was thinking about,
15:01
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
you know, the King of Comedy and stuff like that,
15:02
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
a few resonances.
15:03
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Is there anything in particular?
15:05
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
King of Comedy.
15:06
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
King of Comedy was right at doing this.
15:08
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Definitely that character,
15:09
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Pupkin,
15:10
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
and his view of the world and himself was,
15:14
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
he's completely out of step with reality,
15:17
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
that guy, obviously.
15:19
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
But originally I was saying it was Steven Spielberg films when I was a kid
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
that got me into wanting to do that.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I gave it a seven,
15:28
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I think, when I said I wanted to be a film director.
15:30
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Just Jurassic Park and E
15:34
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
.T. and all that,
15:35
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
and realising that it was just this one guy.
15:37
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
This one guy was behind those films that I really loved as a kid.
15:40
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
And then I sort of grew from there.
15:45
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
But yeah,
15:45
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
King of Comedy,
15:47
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Barlanga,
15:49
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
the Spanish director,
15:51
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Roy Anderson,
15:52
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
and I was reading,
15:56
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
what's it called?
15:57
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
Confederacy of Dunces,
16:00
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
that book.
16:00
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
So yeah,
16:02
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
there's lots of different elements,
16:03
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I guess.
16:03
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
What was it like going to study in New York then?
16:07
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
How did that kind of,
16:08
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
what was that experience like,
16:09
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
I guess?
16:10
S… Speaker 1 (260610_0490)
Brilliant.
16:10
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
It was brilliant to go over.
16:14
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I done my undergrad at Dundee.
16:15
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I wasn't really sure how did you get into filmmaking because
16:20
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I don't really think of the box maybe that much.
16:23
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I have to get a degree in something.
16:25
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
So anyway,
16:29
S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
I applied, audaciously applied and then got in.
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S… Speaker 2 (260610_0490)
It's been brilliant just being over there and obviously meeting my wife who's

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