Woody Part 2 2026
May 29, 2026 14:31
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Walk in.
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Okay.
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I've got you back.
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So you went in through that glass door from St Anne's
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Court.
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Yes.
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And then to your right was a reception desk.
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And then in front of you,
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there was steps going down to the studio.
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And if you went past reception,
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then you ended up in the actual control room itself where the desk
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was.
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Right.
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It was really fucking small.
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It was, you know,
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it was, I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Maybe fucking 15 foot by 15
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foot, something like that.
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It wasn't massive.
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There was enough for like four people to sit and listen to a playback
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and then the producer behind the desk,
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you know.
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And it,
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you know, it was,
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it was, it was just,
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it just had a good atmosphere,
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that place.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, somebody,
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somebody fucked up that.
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getting rid of it oh yeah turning it into a voice it
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was
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Just voiceovers on it.
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Yeah,
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yeah.
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It's really strange.
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And if you look at some of the footage,
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and I've been there actually and stood outside,
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as you say,
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it looks like a tight space.
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I suppose that was good for the band,
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would you, in the sense that you're in this very tight space,
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even when you were,
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I suppose, you were making like hunky -dory and stuff like that.
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It must have kind of created a closeness among the members being in a tight space
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like that as well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it was,
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actually.
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It was.
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Yeah.
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And was it quite cutting edge for the time?
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Because I read that,
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you know, maybe late 60s,
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a lot of the other studios were quite old -fashioned and lab coats,
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but there was a different attitude at Trident where it was quite,
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of the time,
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quite cutting edge.
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Yeah,
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it was.
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It was.
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I mean, and they had a good,
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like,
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apprenticeship system in.
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Yeah.
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So, you know,
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people would join and be a tea boy.
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Yeah.
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And that's what you did.
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You were a t -boy.
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Or go and get sandwiches or whatever.
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And you just did that.
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And then you went on to tape operator.
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So you just clicked a button,
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reverse,
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back, forwards,
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and all that.
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And then you got to,
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I guess,
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kind of assistant engineer.
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And then engineer after that.
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And a lot of really good guys came out of that.
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A lot of big name producers and engineers,
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you know.
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Yeah.
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I mean,
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yeah.
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It was well run.
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You know, it was good.
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Yeah.
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And Ken Scott,
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I mean, he was there for all those records.
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It wasn't Tony Visconti.
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I mean, he was an essential...
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part of the creativity,
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wasn't it?
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He was,
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yeah.
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He was, definitely.
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Tell us about what he was like to work with and his role within it
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all, because all those records sound so different,
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especially Aladdin.
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By the time you get to Aladdin's scene,
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it's a full -blown rock record,
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you know, but Ziggy's not like that yet,
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and Hunky Dory,
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again, it's completely different again.
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But what was Ken Scott's role in the sound of the records,
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Woody?
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um i mean he was really totally in control
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of the of the sounds do you know what i mean
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yeah i mean as long as as long as um well we
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did hunky door it was you know that was a kind of his
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first one um and um
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but he you know his job
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Tony was a musician with hands -on on production.
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So he'd go,
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I think that chorus should be repeated or it needs a different
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part there.
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He would be more like that.
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Yeah.
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Whereas Ken wasn't that.
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He didn't come in with like,
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he didn't really add any musical ideas.
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But the sounds -wise,
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we're like, fucking hell.
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It's, you know,
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when we'd finished recording,
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it was good,
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but it was very raw and unpolished,
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you know?
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Yeah.
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And then when he mixed,
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you know, I remember him doing Life on Mars,
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we'd done, I think we did two takes.
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Was it two?
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I think it was two.
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The famous one where the fucking phone rang at the end
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of it, and we knew that was the take,
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you know? Yeah, yeah.
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And then,
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you know, when Ken mixed it,
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he rang us up in Beckham and said,
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I've just finished mixing it.
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Do you want to come up in a moment?
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So we all went up in a car and
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he played it and it was like,
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fucking hell.
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You know, you're hearing what you last heard as a raw
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thing, all the parts there,
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but it doesn't really gel as a complete.
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finished product.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah,
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absolutely.
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And he played it.
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And I remember saying,
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fucking hell,
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is that us?
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It was such
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a fucking quality jump.
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Oh, yeah.
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And I'd watched Mick,
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Trevor and David's mouths drop as the clowns.
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You know what I mean?
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Those fucking clowns where you have to throw balls.
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I love it.
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That's brilliant.
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And he was like, holy shit.
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So Ken added a hell of a lot.
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He didn't lose the feel and he just made
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it all integrate,
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basically.
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So all the tracks sounded very part of the same
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album.
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Yeah,
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absolutely.
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I mean,
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he had ideas like doubling that up and things which did add
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to it.
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So I guess that was it.
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a musical uh input but he wouldn't
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say mickey need to play bla or
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I think he said,
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but I wanted to tell you what it was.
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You can tell me,
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but I won't put it in if you like.
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No,
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I don't trust you.
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Oh, no.
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If I told you,
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it never speaks to me again.
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Well,
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I was going to say to you,
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what I find interesting about that area,
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Woody, you know, where we were in Headon Street,
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you can walk from Trident.
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up to Headon Street,
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and I thought what struck me was how much happened in the Soho area for
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David around that time.
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Tell me a little bit about Soho,
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because even some of the characters were an influence on his
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right, and if you think of Soho at that time,
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there was the gangster world,
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there was a lot of restaurants where he'd go,
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there was a lot going on that became part
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of Ziggy's world,
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if you like.
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Yeah, it's true.
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I mean,
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you know, the main man offices,
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which had Chin and Chapman and somebody
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else, were on Regent Street,
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about maybe 75 yards from
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the entrance to Hedden Street.
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Yeah.
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So you had that and then you had
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Trident on Mordor Street was not far.
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So it was all like a little triangle or whatever
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it was.
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And there was the rock and roll pub,
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which was the ship.
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you know oh yeah yeah yeah you'd have bands which was
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right next to trident you know right next to st anne's court yeah so
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not that we i think i went in there once i met john bonham
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right wow having a drink and i had a good chat with him i was like he's
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massive
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No wonder he sounds fucking loud.
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Yeah.
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I thought I was loud,
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but shit.
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Brilliant.
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Oh,
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wow. Yeah.
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And Robert,
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we'd done a band thing with Robert Palmer.
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Oh, yeah.
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Came from Scarborough,
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which is only like 30 miles from Hull.
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Yeah.
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So his band and our band were like the best ones in fucking Yorkshire
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at the time.
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Yeah.
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And we decided,
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okay, let's get together and see if we can...
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put a really good fucking band together.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so we did it,
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we had a couple of rehearsals with,
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he was called Alan Palmer at the time.
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Oh,
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yeah, yeah.
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And he was in a band called Mandrakes.
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Yeah.
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The Mandrakes.
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And we were the rats.
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And then I found them when I saw them play,
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one of my kind of best mates from primary
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school that had left.
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at the time where I was born.
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I hadn't seen him since then.
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He was Robert Palmer's fucking guitarist,
9:02
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and I was like, fuck it now.
9:03
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So it was a real,
9:05
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there was a lot of weird little things that connected.
9:08
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Yeah,
9:09
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yeah.
9:09
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No,
9:11
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that's interesting.
9:11
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Anyway, the Robert Palmer thing didn't work,
9:14
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because I think he heard his manager at
9:18
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the time.
9:20
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uh money and he said no no you're making money with mandrakes
9:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
i don't want to risk it i don't want to start another band blah blah blah so it kind
9:28
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of fell through but we used to meet him and go go for a meal with him
9:34
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On Wardour Street,
9:35
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actually.
9:35
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Oh, really? Wow.
9:36
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They mentioned Robert Palmer.
9:37
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Yeah.
9:38
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It was quite cool,
9:40
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you know.
9:40
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Yeah. I mean,
9:41
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one of the things I wanted to ask you,
9:42
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actually, I didn't realise,
9:44
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but last night I was looking at the Hunky Dory sleeve,
9:47
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and I think it's in Kevin Kahn's book.
9:50
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The picture of David was also taken in Heading Street on the cover of
9:54
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Hunky Dory,
9:55
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so I thought,
9:55
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well, that's the two album sleeves where he's been in,
9:59
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
because it was...
10:00
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
An office he went to.
10:01
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I think the photographer was at Brian Ward.
10:03
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
He had an office in Hedon Street.
10:05
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Is that right?
10:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yes,
10:08
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he did.
10:08
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
10:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah, he did.
10:10
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah, because what was that like?
10:11
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Because I think there's a clip in the film Blowout where you
10:15
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see the character in the very street.
10:17
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It's pretty ziggy,
10:18
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of course, but you get an idea of what it would have looked like.
10:21
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But I suppose,
10:22
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like, if you were giving us a picture of...
10:24
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what it was like at the time,
10:26
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because I read that the four spiders were originally meant to
10:30
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be on the cover,
10:31
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
but of course it was a wet night.
10:33
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
David had a cold,
10:34
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
but decided to go out and do the picture anyway.
10:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
What do you remember from that?
10:40
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
10:41
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
we all took head shots and shoulder shots,
10:44
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
whatever.
10:44
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I think we all stripped off.
10:47
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
strips off and photos doing weird
10:51
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fucking poses and that was on
10:55
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the way to being the album cover I think we must have had some other shots
10:59
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
done for the album cover but we're all going to be on it
11:03
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And then David said,
11:04
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oh, let's go outside and do something.
11:06
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And then we went,
11:07
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fuck off, it's pissing down.
11:08
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And he went,
11:10
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
well, I'm going.
11:11
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Then it ended up,
11:15
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he was in the phone box.
11:17
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with his foot on the steps or whatever.
11:19
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
That became the cover,
11:21
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know.
11:21
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It was four northerners who were used to pissing
11:26
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
down in cold,
11:27
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
going,
11:27
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
fuck off,
11:28
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
we're not doing that.
11:29
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
That's brilliant.
11:31
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And did you,
11:32
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
what was Brian Ward's office like?
11:35
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Can you remember much about that?
11:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
With the sort of,
11:38
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know, what that would have been like in the early 70s?
11:42
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I just really remember the studio.
11:44
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Ah, the studio,
11:45
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I suppose, yeah.
11:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
11:48
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I didn't really notice it,
11:51
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
to be honest.
11:51
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
11:52
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean,
11:53
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it must be strange when you go back there today and you see everything
11:57
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
that's there,
11:58
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Woody, but you were there at the time where it all began,
12:01
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
and it must be a huge contrast from what you remember then and what it's like
12:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
now.
12:06
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah i mean heaven street was a shit hole basically you know
12:10
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
what i mean it really was like dark and dingy and uh nothing
12:14
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
happening in it just a back street you know yeah and
12:19
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
now it's fucking hell it's part of the uh
12:22
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
The whole circus,
12:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
innit?
12:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
12:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean,
12:24
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
is that strange for you?
12:26
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Like, how do you feel when,
12:28
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
as you say,
12:29
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
it's a good word to use,
12:30
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
a circus, when you see it now,
12:31
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know,
12:32
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
it's like,
12:33
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know, it's a really prestigious street and there's obviously all these tributes to David.
12:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Is it nice to be part of it and see it like that or sort
12:41
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
of recognise your role within it all?
12:43
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
12:45
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean,
12:46
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
occasionally you notice something and then just think...
12:52
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
You know, even down to,
12:53
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
like, dyed hair.
12:54
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Do you know what I mean?
12:56
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And you think,
12:57
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
like,
12:59
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
fucking hell,
13:01
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
if we hadn't have done that,
13:02
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you probably would not have dyed hair.
13:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Do you know what I mean?
13:07
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I know it's gone green and purple and all sorts,
13:10
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
but we did all that when we were abroad.
13:12
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
We did all different colours.
13:14
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
We just didn't get shots of it,
13:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know?
13:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
So I think,
13:18
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
fucking hell,
13:18
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
we kind of...
13:20
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
contributed to the culture.
13:24
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
without even realising it.
13:26
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Do you know what I mean?
13:26
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Well, I think the Spiders are often cited by a lot of the punk,
13:30
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
especially the Sex Pistols.
13:31
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
You know, Steve Jones and Paul Cook have said that Spiders were a
13:35
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
big inspiration on them in terms of,
13:37
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know, the look,
13:38
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
but also the sound of the record.
13:40
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
If you listen to Nevermind the Bollocks and Ziggy Stardust,
13:44
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you can kind of see what they're saying,
13:45
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
if that makes sense.
13:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah, yeah.
13:47
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
13:48
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean, there were some tracks that never got on the album or any of the
13:52
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albums.
13:53
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
But we're definitely punkier.
13:56
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
13:57
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah.
13:58
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Before punk,
13:59
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know what I mean?
14:00
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
14:01
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It's just driving ahead and it's very sex pistols.
14:04
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah, well,
14:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
that's true.
14:05
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Well, I think Kevin Kahn mentioned some titles of
14:09
S…
Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
songs that have never seen the light of day in his book,
14:11
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
would he? But you probably remember those songs.
14:14
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
14:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
You know?
14:17
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean, in fact,
14:18
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I saw one the other day I hadn't heard since we fucking played it called Shadow Man.
14:22
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Oh, yeah,
14:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah.
14:23
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Which is very fucking punky.
14:26
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
14:26
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Just driving it,
14:29
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
we're all driving it through.
14:31
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And there's one where he goes,
14:33
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I
14:37
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
remember the line of something like,
14:38
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
well, you're down there.
14:39
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And it was like,
14:42
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
that's just a bit too,
14:43
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
at the time,
14:44
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
it was a bit too...
14:47
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Speaker 3 (Woody Part 2 2026)
a bit too risky you know what i mean yeah um but it was
14:51
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
there i remember hearing that yeah um i mean velvet
14:55
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
gold mines to me sounds almost so different from
15:18
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Well, I think because,
15:20
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know, we kind of realised...
15:24
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
during hunky dory really but like you know he'd write he'd
15:29
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
finish writing one and say oh come in and have a listen you go oh i like that that's
15:33
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
a good song blah blah and then the next one three days
15:37
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
later whatever would be a completely different
15:41
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
sound and a different style do you know what i mean yeah
15:46
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
um so we got used to the fact that he's not
15:50
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
like uh he's not
15:56
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
kind of barrier in,
15:58
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
not the right word,
15:59
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I'm trying to think of the word,
16:00
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
it's not close to Black
16:07
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Sabbath, they sound the same,
16:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
the guitar's the same.
16:11
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It's this kind of a thing and,
16:14
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know what I mean?
16:15
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
He didn't really approach it like that.
16:17
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It was just whatever inspired him to fucking write
16:21
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
a song.
16:22
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And he'd just start plonking and he'd just start fucking
16:26
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
playing it.
16:27
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And sometimes I'd hear him doing
16:35
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah,
16:36
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah,
16:37
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah. Yeah.
16:41
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
16:58
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
It was as good as a Neil Young song.
17:00
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Wow.
17:00
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah, yeah.
17:01
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
That's amazing.
17:03
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
But I never heard it again,
17:05
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
you know.
17:06
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
17:07
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
When we were on holiday,
17:09
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
he took his guitar with him to Cyprus.
17:12
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And he was fucking just writing while we were there.
17:15
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And you'd go,
17:16
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
fucking hell,
17:17
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
that's fantastic,
17:17
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
that song.
17:18
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And I never heard it again.
17:20
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
So were the four of you in Cyprus,
17:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Woody?
17:23
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
No, just me,
17:25
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
David and Trevor.
17:26
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Right,
17:27
S…
Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
yeah.
17:27
S…
Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
And Angie was there.
17:29
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
Yeah.
17:30
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
I mean, that's not really talked about that much,
17:32
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Speaker 1 (Woody Part 2 2026)
is it?
17:33
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
But that must have been an interesting time.
17:35
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Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
When exactly was that in the Spider's history,
17:38
S…
Speaker 2 (Woody Part 2 2026)
the holiday?
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