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So my presentation will be
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given by Professor Ferreira.
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He is an associate professor in the department of electrical engineering
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at this university since 1998.
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He has been a researcher at the Institute of Systems and Propositions,
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but he has been working in several Portuguese and European research projects on
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energy efficiency technologies for electric voltage resistance systems.
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He has a great career career of more than 107 papers
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company.
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Thank you for the nice introduction.
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I would present the smart,
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that's LimeStar Simulation.
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More concept
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for a good solution.
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Some strategy,
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I already
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know, that LimeStar,
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nowadays,
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in relation
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to machines,
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they should take over to life.
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Nowadays,
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you can have very
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recently developed markets,
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so
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you can go up to life,
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high -five, only for a large
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machine.
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So,
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in a global range,
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the LimeStar Simulation machines are really interesting.
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They have some drawbacks and one of the two
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improvisations to reveal.
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So work
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here that I've put
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on those drawbacks to solve them with using
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a new concept.
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This
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concept basically is to merge multi
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-flex winding.
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They use
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a kind of electronic to switch
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the connection mode as a function of the needle of the motor.
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One connection mode to start the
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motor, the highest torque.
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better synchronization and after reaching the synchronism
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you can switch the connection mode operation
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monetizing
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flex and on the top of it of course winding
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state winding
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in terms of configuration you can use
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more advanced configurations we'll work
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more in confining length
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if you
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combine all these strategies or
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goals you can probably
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result here.
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You can combine an electronic valve.
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the same concept
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here on this type of machine to
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manage the winding configuration doing so
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you can really change the actual curve at your back in the commercial
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models to a better curve with a better synchronization
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and in the end also better efficiency as
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well as
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if you have more than
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connection modes,
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you have three connection modes,
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you can have a third connection mode,
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load
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ratios, the
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load is quite low.
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It's simple,
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you can really give some advantage
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that
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you can, from this is that nowadays
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if you buy it,
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how do
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you set it from an
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induction machine?
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If you just use the same protection
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device that you use in an induction machine,
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it probably will not work in your machines.
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Because, for example,
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under single -facing operation,
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the imbalance of the current is
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much, much higher than the machine.
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So,
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you need to re -adjust the protection device.
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It's not easy.
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So, if you combine an electronic device to manage
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automatically the winding connection mode,
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you can also incorporate some protection algorithms in there.
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And so,
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you can have a completely different machine.
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very in line with N34 .0 or 5 .0 to communicate
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the same data that can monitor the condition of the
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genome etc.
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It makes sense.
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So the starter of
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the winding we designed is a little bit complex.
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I will not go for the whole event
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but I can tell you that I came up with a solution
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in the double winding.
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Double winding means that you have two windings sharing
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with the node windings.
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And when you have that kind of configuration,
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you can combine the
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connections of those two partial bindings.
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Three connection
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modes, in which you use
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ES -series connection mode,
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to create,
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saturate,
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because it's just a small period.
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And after
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that, you can switch to this YD.
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connection mode.
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That will be the most
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important connection mode for the full load operation.
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And if the machine is working
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with a very low load,
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you can connect this connection
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mode to get a lower flight.
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So I already described
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this number of terms in the normalized form in
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relation to the total.
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And you can calculate
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what happens to the induced bolt.
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for the three connection modes and of course they are different so
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this means that if you have for the same flex different induction
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used voltages line line voltage if
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you fix the voltage you have the inverse behavior on
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the flex and so we can predict what will happen to the flex
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with some basic calculations and doing
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so we can say that for example
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that the flux ratio between
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the Ys and Yd connection mode will be 0
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.65 and that means that the square ratio
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of the point
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40 to 39 and you can do the same between yd
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and ds connections and you have a ratio of 0 .73 79
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because of power development of the machine and so
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this was calibrated having
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a goal for the increase in the starting target
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wanted to increase more or less 28 percent starting target
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the original starting target
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it's more than enough to guarantee that you can have more
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inertia and you can actually have a starting
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connection without having too
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much heating so and
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there is a challenge because you need to figure out okay
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you have want three connection modes but you want you want also the
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possibility of doing those connections the minimum number
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of power
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So it's a challenge.
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I think a little bit about this subject and
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I came up with a solution that I showed you,
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in which you just need one,
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two, three, four,
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five, six,
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seven,
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eight bidirectional switches to
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make the three connections.
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And so it's easy to incorporate
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this in an electronic device.
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There are other possibilities,
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yes, of course.
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But this one, I think,
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is one of the best,
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more balanced.
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And so I decided.
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So I
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used this motor.
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It appeared to
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me a
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few years ago.
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And
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so to check what the
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full
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-on network has
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a function of blind -blind voltage,
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measures
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the active power,
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and the
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shaft torque, this is the most important thing.
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So I tried to figure out what the shaft torque is about.
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understand the starting torque and it was very important to
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know how to model it and predict what will
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happen.
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It's
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not so complex because this machine went.
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If you put away oscillations
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of the reluctance torque,
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it's an induction machine.
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So if
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you put the shaft torque as a function of
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the line to line,
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which is square,
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it's almost a straight line,
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so it circulates without major errors.
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So,
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in the end,
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we came up with this equation for
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the torque.
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We try to
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multiply much 2 and multiply by
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the change
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in the flux.
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We perform
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some interesting relations here.
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One of them is the torque
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using the power.
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And yes,
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if you watch this electric
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shaft torque.
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What we
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need for...
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for the design,
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fancy design of the line.
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So,
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and then some
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little calculations,
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and in the end we have these predicted values,
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and the most important here is
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that I have here is per
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unit torque,
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and
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now 3 .7,
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which means plus,
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you get
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the losses, 80%,
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et cetera.
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It's really straightforward,
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this kind of calculation,
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but it gives you an idea of what will happen.
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The
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step was to figure out if we need to find
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you the phase turns for full load.
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And from some,
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for 100%,
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75 % and 50 % load,
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we just changed the voltage.
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Where was the maximum under
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thermal equilibrium?
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And we found out that in this particular machine here,
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if you reduce sight to the fire,
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you can reach the maximum efficiency.
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The machine was very well designed.
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That's good news for the designers of the machine when Adele
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is here.
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So, yes,
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it's very well designed.
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But we can see that if the load is lower,
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like 50%,
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if you want to achieve the maximum efficiency,
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you need to reduce the load.
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This means that we need to reduce the flux.
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So we can do it by changing the connection mode.
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So we can use it to maximize the efficiency at low levels.
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Basically
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the same materialize as you can confirm,
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more difficult
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to see on the active part of the difference.
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So
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with this analysis,
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we conclude that
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the ratio,
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so
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the total number of taps should be 1 .5K
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per
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phase, which you don't mind me.
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Note that we are talking about Y -D connection.
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The original connection was Y,
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and now we have Y
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-D, so that's why we have 1 .588.
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The number
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of terms in each partial Y can split like this,
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77 % to
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the other one.
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In order to achieve this 100
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% full load.
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The next
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step was to optimize the Y -D,
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and here is complex.
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Number of phase turns.
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But now we should optimize the windings.
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The original winding was midline,
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concentric winding,
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with the same number of turns in each corner.
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It's really common in restrictions
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of the serial protection.
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I
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came up with a very complex one.
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It's a double commercial
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winding.
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It's concentric,
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double layer,
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and we need to...
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Yes,
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it's not intuitive.
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It's quite difficult to optimize these windings.
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But in the end,
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if you use this solution instead of this one,
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I can show you,
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and it's possible to improve it also.
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We'll see that we can reduce,
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for example,
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their get -managed working
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force from 10 .7 .8 for
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THD.
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And we
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have more advantages.
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We can really increase the
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average coin, which will decrease from 9 to 6 .85.
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which is good because of the wire length and
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so on.
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So you have several advantages here.
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So
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this is the optimized winding.
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Now
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with my winding,
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I'm not there.
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You can
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see that it's much
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better.
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And now
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you can have this improvisation.
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No,
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this is a simple machine.
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Normal simple
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machine.
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It's a line -star simple machine.
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So you have a case.
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If you have a cage in the rotor,
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the flux produced by these three -type molecules,
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for example, are replacing the film in oxen,
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and will induce current in the cage,
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and then they will induce losses in the rotor.
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So there will be losses in the rotor due to this.
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Therefore,
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if you illuminate them,
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you will use this.
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So
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when my data,
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yesterday,
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one of my students sent me these tables.
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They just run the machine.
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this new wine.
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He said to me that it was
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a success to confirm the relations between the
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number of us.
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We tried by measuring,
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by finally approaching one of the wines.
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He mentioned the automotive force and using the other one.
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It was confirmed.
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It was also confirmed that in relation
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to the original,
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if you compare,
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for example, this YD that's wine
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now, the original one,
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the power,
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the normal parent was
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reduced.
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This is
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a normal test.
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It means that power is really
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reducing the design itself.
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And here you can see that in terms of torque,
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with
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this YD,
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it would be the reference.
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So
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now we have machines that can inertia
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loads.
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So you can apply not only to fans,
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but also to conveyors,
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pumps etc.
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And after starting,
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you just need to connect very fast to the
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the best connection mode that should be the YD
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if you are operating at almost load or the
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YS if you are operating at a very low load and this
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device can decide itself this device can have
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an algorithm that can self -set the point
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of commutation it can self -set when to commute from when
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to switch from VS to
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YD and from YD to YES and etc.
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It's very easy to do it.
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And this electronic device now is
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being upgraded to use bidirectional
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wideband gap,
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to be connected with bidirectional switches with
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silicon carbide,
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which have very low losses,
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they are very small,
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and so you can fit easily this electronic device into
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the terminal box of the machine and you can create a new machine,
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smart machine with capability to adapt itself
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to the real load ignition as well as to the starting
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load and you can also incorporate protection
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algorithms and you can have communication Bluetooth,
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wireless and so probably this will be
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the next generation of the
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Blindstart Sibros related machines,
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or even,
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why not,
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Blindstart Pyramid -minded Zeppelin machines.
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That's the goal here.
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Thank you very much.
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