[Ayah] Gerson

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Hi, Gerson.

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Thank you so much po for accepting the

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invitation to be interviewed.

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And,

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Kuya Gerson,

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napasal niyo na po yung informed consent po namin,

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no? Ah,

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yes.

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Ayan.

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So, alam niyo na po yung nature ng research namin.

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Diba po?

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Okay.

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Since aware naman na po kayo,

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reminder lang po na if hindi po kayo

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comfortable,

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sagotin niya isang tanong.

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Or ayaw nyo sagutin,

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okay lang po,

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you can pause.

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You can choose not to answer without any consequences po po yan.

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Okay lang po.

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Sige,

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start na po natin.

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So,

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sa first question po,

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kuya,

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may I confirm lang po.

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Nag -sign po kayo as a non -hukien fluent Chinoy?

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Non -hukien

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fluent Chinoy po?

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Ah,

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yes. Non -hukien fluent.

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Ah,

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sige pa.

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So, for the first question,

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Kuya Jerson,

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what are your thoughts po and feelings on attending CGC?

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And how does the Chinese dominant environment make you

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feel po?

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Actually,

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at first,

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sempre, pressured,

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may language barrier.

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But eventually,

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nung tumagal -tagal na,

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so na,

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I...

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Parang I'm being familiarized with

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the terminology and the culture.

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So yeah,

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I cope up after some time.

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Pero at first,

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merong ganong mindset na overwhelmed

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with the surroundings and with the culture.

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Okay po.

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So Kuya,

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is there a particular language po or a combination of languages in which

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you are most comfortable with or most spiritually

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connected with when praying individually pag personal prayer po?

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Sa ngayon,

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okay naman na ako.

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Nakakaintindi naman natin ng Hokkien.

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So,

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of course,

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kapag kunwari merong something na

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May mga terminologies na hindi siya ganun familiar sa akin.

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So, I would not be able to understand.

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Pero kung comfortable level,

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English and Tagalog,

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pwede rin naman.

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Pero may mga Tagalog kasi na malalalim din.

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So,

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mostly English talagang yung

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pinaka -comfortable.

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Ah, okay po po.

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Thank you po.

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So,

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what does preserving the Hokkien language

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within the church mean to you po,

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especially in the Philippines?

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What does preserving the Hokkien language within the

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church mean to you po,

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especially here in the Philippines,

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na English -Tagalog yung official languages?

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Yeah,

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so, siyempre,

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from my family

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din, we used to talk with the

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Hokkien language.

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So,

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it's a good...

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na meron Chinese church where people

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are talking with fukien.

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Of course,

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kapag hindi nagagamit yung fukien,

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it will soon die down,

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right?

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So, okay naman.

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So, for me,

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okay siya to preserve the fukien language in a

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way. And then,

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mas natututo rin yung mga tao.

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regarding the Fokyan,

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especially kapag tumatagal sa church,

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mas mapafamiliarize with the Fokyan language.

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Ah,

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okay po.

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Kuya, growing up ba,

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na -expose ka po sa Fokyan?

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Like, na -impose siya ng parents,

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growing up.

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Yes,

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with my father.

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So, we used to talk with the Fokyan language.

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So,

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kapag kinakausap niya ako,

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Fokyan yung gamit niya.

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Pero pag -response,

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paminsan, Tagalog na ako.

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Pero madalas,

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Hokian din yung sagat ka sa kanya.

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Okay po.

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So how does the exposure to Hokian sermons and prayers in

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the church affect your overall experience?

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Ayun.

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So at first it's...

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Like what I mentioned at first,

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overwhelming.

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Pero in a way,

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it's better.

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There's a positive side of it.

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Kasi yun nga,

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unti -unti,

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we used to learn Hokkien language.

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And we,

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yun,

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nagagamit din siya as part of our daily life,

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especially when talking with the Chinese people,

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Chinese na mga matatanda,

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dun na rin nasa Ongpin or yung mga relatives na hindi

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marunong mag -Tagalog.

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So, yun,

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it really helped.

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Okay.

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Thank you so much,

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Kuya.

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So,

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Kuya, when you do not understand po a

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word or a phrase or a sentence in a sermon that is conducted in Okyan

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for main service,

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what do you usually do po to understand the message and to stay spiritually

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engaged all throughout?

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Siyempre,

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if you don't understand,

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you ask.

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You ask

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kuya sa katabi mo,

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ganun sa family mo.

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Or for the service,

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you can ask with your spiritual leaders whom they

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understand.

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message.

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And of course,

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take down notes.

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Kung kunwari,

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may mga terminologies na paulit -ulit na ginagamit.

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So,

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sometimes,

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dahil dun sa first time di ko naiintindihan,

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the second time,

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I might not understand it the second time,

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pero pag paulit -ulit siya,

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eventually, you'll understand it without asking na.

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Okay.

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When prayer naman kuya,

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when you do not understand,

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kasi I observe,

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meron po kayong praying out loud,

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right? Tapos usually po yung mga elders,

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ang language use talaga nila is minsan maximum

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in Hokyan.

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Tapos kapag youth,

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may Hokyan,

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pero may mga minimal English and Tagalog.

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So kapag po yung prayer is in Hokyan,

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how do you respond?

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Pag hindi nyo po naiintindihan.

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Pag hindi naiintindihan,

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Ano lang,

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siguro after the prayer you can ask.

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Kasi paminsan naman conversational naman

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yung Hokkien language.

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Not deep Hokkien na wala naman siya ganun kaano.

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So majority of the prayer is more conversational

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and simple language.

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Siguro nagiging complex lang siya pag nagpa -pray ng Bible verse,

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nagpa -pray ng ano.

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So sometimes after the prayer,

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nandun yung curiosity.

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And sometimes patanungin mo kung ano

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yung meaning to.

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And if someday meron kang opportunity to

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pray out loud,

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pwede mo siya magamit.

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Kasi you already understand.

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And alam mo na siya.

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Do you say amen,

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kuya?

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Do you respond like,

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kunyari may Okokian payer,

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pero hindi mo siya naintindihan,

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do you still respond like,

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do you still say amen?

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No.

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Oh,

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okay.

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So pag nag -ship sila sa English and Tagalog,

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dun ka makaka -relate,

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parang ganun.

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Kasi,

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amen is the word used if

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you are agreeing to other people.

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Pero if you don't understand,

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bakit ka mag -agree?

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Same kuya.

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Kasi, di ba,

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nag -immerse din po ako sa CGC.

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So, as an ethnic Filipino.

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Wala po kasi kaming prayer out loud sa church namin.

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So, every time Inuken yung prayer,

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I could not respond amin.

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Kasi nga, I do not understand.

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So,

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I feel...

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good na,

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you can relate po pala.

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So, you do not respond amen in Hokyan.

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Okay.

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I feel validated.

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Thank you, Kuya Gerson.

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But sometimes,

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eventually,

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when you, ano,

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pag tumagal ka na dyan,

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paulit -ulit lang naman yung mga terminologies na

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ginagamit nila.

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Eventually, you'll understand.

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And eventually,

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you will say amen.

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Okay.

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So, question number seven,

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Kuya.

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What are your thoughts po on the real -time English translation with

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the live interpreter and bilingual slides provided during

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the Sunday main service?

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Actually,

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it's good.

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Especially when you don't understand yung Chinese,

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at least.

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The message will be preached

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and the message will be relate.

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Dahil dun sa English and the translation.

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And dun ka

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rin makikita yun.

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kapag may mga terminologies ka na hindi mo naintindihan.

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Pag sinabi dun sa Chinese,

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tapos translate ng translator.

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So,

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ah, yun pala yung meaning nun.

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So, I can take it down.

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I can ask my seatmate anong meaning nun.

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So, maintindihan mo eventually.

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Oh,

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okay.

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So, how do you think po this translation setup affects the participation

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of the members who doesn't know Hokkien at all?

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So,

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yeah,

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like what I mentioned,

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mas maralay yung information,

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yung message.

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It will be clear.

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So,

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sa mga hindi marunong talaga ng Hokkien

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at all, mas maralay yung information.

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Okay,

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thank you, Kuya.

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Ikaw ba,

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Kuya, personally po,

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have you experienced difficulty following a Hokkien sermon

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or message even with the interpreter and the bilingual

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slides?

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Was there a time?

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May mga times na,

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especially kapag yung topic nila is Bible

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-based or mayroon kang topic

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na kinuha sa Bible.

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Sometimes, ano daw?

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Or sometimes yung translation niya ng...

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Nawala

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ko si Kuya.

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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hello, Kuya.

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Hello,

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S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kaya Gerson.

11:39

S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Oh,

11:44

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

hindi ito pa ba ako?

11:45

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Ayan,

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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kuya.

11:47

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Ayan.

11:47

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hindi ito pa ako.

11:49

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay po.

11:50

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Sige, Kuya,

11:51

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

continue po.

11:51

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Ayan.

11:53

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, may mga...

11:54

S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Ano yan?

11:55

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Nawala ako?

11:56

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Tulitin ka lang.

11:57

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kasi may mga...

11:58

S… Speaker 8 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Opa,

11:59

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sa Bible verse.

12:01

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Mga topic na malalim din yung

12:05

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

pagka -translate sa English.

12:08

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Medyo nakakaan na rin siya na hindi ko rin masyado

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

naintindihan.

12:13

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Tapos kapag kinuha siya from the Bible

12:17

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

verse, so sometimes nandun

12:22

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yung question mark sa curiosity.

12:34

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

I approach my leader after tatanungin

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

ko, confirm ko,

12:40

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

tama ba yung nabasa ko?

12:42

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay,

12:46

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

so you asked for assistance.

12:50

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

12:51

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Thank you so much,

12:52

S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kuya.

12:52

S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

12:53

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

how do you feel naman,

12:54

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kuya, when the speaker during youth fellowship,

12:57

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yung youth fellowship after the main service,

13:00

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

when he or she is speaking hanok yan,

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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

then suddenly,

13:03

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

he or she shifts to English or Tagalog when delivering a message.

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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

How do you feel and what does it mean to you that they shift languages?

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay lang.

13:14

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

I can relate.

13:17

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kasi hindi rin naman.

13:18

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Not everyone is fluent in

13:23

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

speaking in Hokkien.

13:25

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So better siya kasi pinapractice yung

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hokkien.

13:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero if you cannot relay a message using Hokkien.

13:34

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Because sometimes you will stutter or baka

13:39

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

mamali yung pronunciation mo,

13:41

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

baka maiba na yung meaning.

13:43

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So better you say in English or something

13:47

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

na comfortable ka.

13:48

S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

13:51

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So kuya nabanggit mo in the

13:55

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

earlier questions na at first you were overwhelmed at first nung medyo may language

14:00

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

barrier pa.

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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

How were you accommodated during those times and even up

14:05

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

to now?

14:06

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Was there a time that you observed that a Hokkien fluent speaker

14:10

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

intentionally shifts to English or Tagalog when speaking to you or speaking

14:14

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

to other members who are less fluent on Hokkien?

14:16

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

How were you accommodated during those times?

14:18

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Wait lang,

14:21

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

inaalala ko eh.

14:23

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

At first kasi,

14:27

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

kapag sa mga

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

youth,

14:32

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Of course,

14:33

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

they speak in English.

14:35

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero kapag kausap mo si Sister

14:39

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Ruthie,

14:40

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yung mga patatanda,

14:42

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sila Brother Peter,

14:44

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

ganyan,

14:45

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

hindi sila nag -shift ng language

14:49

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

just to accommodate you.

14:51

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, sometimes they try to make

14:56

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

the sentence simpler.

15:00

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

I -explain nila ng mas maigi.

15:03

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero fucking language pa rin yung ginagamit.

15:06

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kung hindi na talaga kaya,

15:08

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sa kanila mag -ano,

15:09

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sa kanila tatag -login or ano.

15:13

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero,

15:14

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yeah.

15:16

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero it's good naman kasi...

15:19

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kahit ako,

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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sa una,

15:21

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

di ko talaga naiintindihan.

15:22

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero eventually,

15:23

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

pag paulit -ulit,

15:25

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

pag ano,

15:27

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

naiintindihan ko na.

15:28

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Paminsan,

15:28

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

nagtatanong pa ulit ako,

15:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Mother,

15:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

tama ba na ganito yung ano?

15:32

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

15:33

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

for confirmation.

15:36

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Based on my understanding,

15:39

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

tinatanong ko kung tama ba yung naiintindihan ko.

15:45

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay, Kuya.

15:45

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

15:46

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

on your side naman,

15:47

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kuya, was there a pressure?

15:49

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

For example,

15:50

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yung kausap mo is fluent

15:54

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

in Hokyan.

15:55

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Was there a pressure or was there a time na ikaw yung nag -adjust na

15:59

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

you spoke in Hokyan to talk to them?

16:03

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Or it's the other way around?

16:05

S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Actually,

16:07

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

ano, I'll try.

16:08

S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

16:09

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

ano, talagang I'll...

16:10

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

magtatry ako ng best ko to practice Hokkien,

16:14

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

especially when there's an opportunity to speak.

16:17

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

May mga times kasi na may mga Taiwanese

16:21

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

na brothers na pumunta dito.

16:25

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So it's an opportunity to mingle with them,

16:29

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

talk with them,

16:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

practice your Hokkien.

16:33

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kung hindi nila naiintindihan,

16:35

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

mag -English ako.

16:37

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

16:38

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yan.

16:40

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero I try my best to speak.

16:43

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

16:45

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kasi tayang yung opportunity.

16:48

S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

16:50

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

16:51

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, you see,

16:51

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

it is opportunity.

16:52

S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Okay.

16:53

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

That's a good insight.

16:54

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Thank you so much,

16:55

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kuya.

16:56

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

16:56

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

for the twelfth question,

16:58

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

how does the mix,

17:00

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

how do you think,

17:01

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Thus, the mixing of languages such as Hokaglish,

17:05

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hokian in English,

17:06

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

or Taglish,

17:08

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Tagalog in English,

17:09

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

occur during youth fellowship and casual interaction.

17:12

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kaya tingin nyo bakit siya nagahalo,

17:14

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

tingin nyo bakit big,

17:16

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

para saan nagagamit yung English,

17:17

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

para saan nagagamit yung Hokian,

17:19

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

bakit biglang yung gantong phrase sinasalita

17:24

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yung Tagalog.

17:24

S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, how do you think those mixing of languages occur?

17:28

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

First of all,

17:29

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

terminologies.

17:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Yung problem ng terminologies.

17:33

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Second is how frequent

17:37

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

people are talking with the language.

17:41

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Kasi kung the more you speak in Hokkien,

17:47

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

the more na magiging fluent ka dun sa Hokkien.

17:51

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero if hindi mo siya nagagamit,

17:55

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

and then...

17:57

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

bigla kang kakausapin ng Hokkien,

17:59

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

of course,

18:00

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

your confident level of speaking

18:04

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

the language is less compared to your

18:10

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

used to talk in that language.

18:13

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Diba?

18:14

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, yun.

18:15

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Pero kapag yun nagsishift ng ano,

18:18

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

sometimes terminologies,

18:20

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

problem in terminology,

18:23

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

kasi, yun nga,

18:24

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

even in our

18:26

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Mga school.

18:27

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hindi naman Hokkien yung ginagamit eh.

18:30

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Mandarin.

18:31

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Diba?

18:33

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Mandarin yung ginagamit sa pagturo sa mga schools.

18:37

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So the only way you can speak in Hokkien

18:41

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

is with your parents,

18:44

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

with elder,

18:45

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

mga matatanda na mga Chinese,

18:48

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

or yun,

18:52

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

saka sa church.

18:54

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So, yun lang yung avenue mo to speak in Hokkien.

18:59

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

19:01

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

yun, mas less yung chance to speak in

19:05

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

Hokkien.

19:05

S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)

So,

19:06

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

kaya sila nagsishift to more comfortable

19:10

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

language.

19:11

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

And sometimes,

19:13

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

nasa tao din yung attitude

19:17

S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)

natin towards learning the language.

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