[Ayah] Gerson

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Hi, Gerson.
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Thank you so much po for accepting the
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invitation to be interviewed.
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And,
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Kuya Gerson,
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napasal niyo na po yung informed consent po namin,
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no? Ah,
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yes.
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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ayan.
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So, alam niyo na po yung nature ng research namin.
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S… Speaker 3 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Diba po?
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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
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Since aware naman na po kayo,
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reminder lang po na if hindi po kayo
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comfortable,
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sagotin niya isang tanong.
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Or ayaw nyo sagutin,
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okay lang po,
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you can pause.
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You can choose not to answer without any consequences po po yan.
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Okay lang po.
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S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Sige,
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start na po natin.
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So,
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sa first question po,
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kuya,
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may I confirm lang po.
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Nag -sign po kayo as a non -hukien fluent Chinoy?
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Non -hukien
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fluent Chinoy po?
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S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ah,
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yes. Non -hukien fluent.
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Ah,
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sige pa.
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So, for the first question,
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Kuya Jerson,
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what are your thoughts po and feelings on attending CGC?
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And how does the Chinese dominant environment make you
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feel po?
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Actually,
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at first,
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sempre, pressured,
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may language barrier.
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But eventually,
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nung tumagal -tagal na,
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so na,
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I...
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Parang I'm being familiarized with
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the terminology and the culture.
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So yeah,
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I cope up after some time.
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Pero at first,
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merong ganong mindset na overwhelmed
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with the surroundings and with the culture.
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S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay po.
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So Kuya,
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is there a particular language po or a combination of languages in which
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you are most comfortable with or most spiritually
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connected with when praying individually pag personal prayer po?
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Sa ngayon,
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okay naman na ako.
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Nakakaintindi naman natin ng Hokkien.
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So,
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of course,
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kapag kunwari merong something na
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May mga terminologies na hindi siya ganun familiar sa akin.
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So, I would not be able to understand.
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Pero kung comfortable level,
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English and Tagalog,
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pwede rin naman.
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Pero may mga Tagalog kasi na malalalim din.
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So,
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mostly English talagang yung
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pinaka -comfortable.
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Ah, okay po po.
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Thank you po.
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So,
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what does preserving the Hokkien language
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within the church mean to you po,
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especially in the Philippines?
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What does preserving the Hokkien language within the
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church mean to you po,
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especially here in the Philippines,
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na English -Tagalog yung official languages?
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Yeah,
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so, siyempre,
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from my family
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din, we used to talk with the
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Hokkien language.
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So,
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it's a good...
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na meron Chinese church where people
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are talking with fukien.
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Of course,
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kapag hindi nagagamit yung fukien,
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it will soon die down,
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right?
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So, okay naman.
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So, for me,
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okay siya to preserve the fukien language in a
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way. And then,
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mas natututo rin yung mga tao.
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regarding the Fokyan,
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especially kapag tumatagal sa church,
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mas mapafamiliarize with the Fokyan language.
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S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ah,
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okay po.
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Kuya, growing up ba,
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na -expose ka po sa Fokyan?
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Like, na -impose siya ng parents,
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growing up.
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S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Yes,
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with my father.
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So, we used to talk with the Fokyan language.
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So,
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kapag kinakausap niya ako,
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Fokyan yung gamit niya.
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Pero pag -response,
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paminsan, Tagalog na ako.
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Pero madalas,
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Hokian din yung sagat ka sa kanya.
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Okay po.
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So how does the exposure to Hokian sermons and prayers in
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the church affect your overall experience?
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ayun.
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So at first it's...
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Like what I mentioned at first,
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overwhelming.
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Pero in a way,
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it's better.
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There's a positive side of it.
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Kasi yun nga,
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unti -unti,
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we used to learn Hokkien language.
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And we,
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yun,
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nagagamit din siya as part of our daily life,
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especially when talking with the Chinese people,
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Chinese na mga matatanda,
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dun na rin nasa Ongpin or yung mga relatives na hindi
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marunong mag -Tagalog.
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So, yun,
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it really helped.
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Okay.
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Thank you so much,
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Kuya.
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So,
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Kuya, when you do not understand po a
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word or a phrase or a sentence in a sermon that is conducted in Okyan
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for main service,
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what do you usually do po to understand the message and to stay spiritually
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engaged all throughout?
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Siyempre,
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if you don't understand,
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you ask.
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You ask
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kuya sa katabi mo,
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ganun sa family mo.
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Or for the service,
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you can ask with your spiritual leaders whom they
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understand.
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message.
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And of course,
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take down notes.
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Kung kunwari,
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may mga terminologies na paulit -ulit na ginagamit.
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So,
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sometimes,
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dahil dun sa first time di ko naiintindihan,
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the second time,
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I might not understand it the second time,
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pero pag paulit -ulit siya,
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eventually, you'll understand it without asking na.
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Okay.
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When prayer naman kuya,
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when you do not understand,
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kasi I observe,
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meron po kayong praying out loud,
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right? Tapos usually po yung mga elders,
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ang language use talaga nila is minsan maximum
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in Hokyan.
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Tapos kapag youth,
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may Hokyan,
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pero may mga minimal English and Tagalog.
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So kapag po yung prayer is in Hokyan,
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how do you respond?
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Pag hindi nyo po naiintindihan.
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Pag hindi naiintindihan,
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Ano lang,
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siguro after the prayer you can ask.
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Kasi paminsan naman conversational naman
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yung Hokkien language.
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Not deep Hokkien na wala naman siya ganun kaano.
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So majority of the prayer is more conversational
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and simple language.
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Siguro nagiging complex lang siya pag nagpa -pray ng Bible verse,
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nagpa -pray ng ano.
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So sometimes after the prayer,
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nandun yung curiosity.
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And sometimes patanungin mo kung ano
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yung meaning to.
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And if someday meron kang opportunity to
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pray out loud,
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pwede mo siya magamit.
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Kasi you already understand.
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And alam mo na siya.
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Do you say amen,
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kuya?
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Do you respond like,
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kunyari may Okokian payer,
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pero hindi mo siya naintindihan,
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do you still respond like,
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do you still say amen?
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No.
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Oh,
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okay.
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So pag nag -ship sila sa English and Tagalog,
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dun ka makaka -relate,
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parang ganun.
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Kasi,
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amen is the word used if
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you are agreeing to other people.
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Pero if you don't understand,
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bakit ka mag -agree?
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Same kuya.
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Kasi, di ba,
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nag -immerse din po ako sa CGC.
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So, as an ethnic Filipino.
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Wala po kasi kaming prayer out loud sa church namin.
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So, every time Inuken yung prayer,
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I could not respond amin.
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Kasi nga, I do not understand.
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So,
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I feel...
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good na,
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you can relate po pala.
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So, you do not respond amen in Hokyan.
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Okay.
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I feel validated.
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Thank you, Kuya Gerson.
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But sometimes,
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eventually,
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when you, ano,
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pag tumagal ka na dyan,
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paulit -ulit lang naman yung mga terminologies na
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ginagamit nila.
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Eventually, you'll understand.
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And eventually,
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you will say amen.
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Okay.
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So, question number seven,
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Kuya.
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What are your thoughts po on the real -time English translation with
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the live interpreter and bilingual slides provided during
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the Sunday main service?
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Actually,
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it's good.
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Especially when you don't understand yung Chinese,
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at least.
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The message will be preached
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and the message will be relate.
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Dahil dun sa English and the translation.
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And dun ka
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rin makikita yun.
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kapag may mga terminologies ka na hindi mo naintindihan.
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Pag sinabi dun sa Chinese,
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tapos translate ng translator.
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So,
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ah, yun pala yung meaning nun.
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So, I can take it down.
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I can ask my seatmate anong meaning nun.
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So, maintindihan mo eventually.
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Oh,
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okay.
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So, how do you think po this translation setup affects the participation
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of the members who doesn't know Hokkien at all?
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So,
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S… Speaker 3 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yeah,
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
like what I mentioned,
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mas maralay yung information,
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yung message.
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It will be clear.
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So,
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sa mga hindi marunong talaga ng Hokkien
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at all, mas maralay yung information.
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Okay,
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thank you, Kuya.
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Ikaw ba,
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Kuya, personally po,
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have you experienced difficulty following a Hokkien sermon
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or message even with the interpreter and the bilingual
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slides?
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Was there a time?
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May mga times na,
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especially kapag yung topic nila is Bible
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-based or mayroon kang topic
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na kinuha sa Bible.
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Sometimes, ano daw?
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S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Or sometimes yung translation niya ng...
11:26
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Nawala
11:37
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
ko si Kuya.
11:37
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hello, Kuya.
11:38
S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hello,
11:38
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kaya Gerson.
11:39
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Oh,
11:44
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
hindi ito pa ba ako?
11:45
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ayan,
11:46
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kuya.
11:47
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ayan.
11:47
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hindi ito pa ako.
11:49
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay po.
11:50
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Sige, Kuya,
11:51
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
continue po.
11:51
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ayan.
11:53
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, may mga...
11:54
S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ano yan?
11:55
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Nawala ako?
11:56
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Tulitin ka lang.
11:57
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kasi may mga...
11:58
S… Speaker 8 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Opa,
11:59
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sa Bible verse.
12:01
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Mga topic na malalim din yung
12:05
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
pagka -translate sa English.
12:08
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Medyo nakakaan na rin siya na hindi ko rin masyado
12:12
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
naintindihan.
12:13
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Tapos kapag kinuha siya from the Bible
12:17
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
verse, so sometimes nandun
12:22
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yung question mark sa curiosity.
12:34
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
I approach my leader after tatanungin
12:39
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
ko, confirm ko,
12:40
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
tama ba yung nabasa ko?
12:42
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay,
12:46
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
so you asked for assistance.
12:50
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
12:51
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Thank you so much,
12:52
S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kuya.
12:52
S… Speaker 7 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
12:53
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
how do you feel naman,
12:54
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kuya, when the speaker during youth fellowship,
12:57
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yung youth fellowship after the main service,
13:00
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
when he or she is speaking hanok yan,
13:03
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
then suddenly,
13:03
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
he or she shifts to English or Tagalog when delivering a message.
13:07
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
How do you feel and what does it mean to you that they shift languages?
13:13
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay lang.
13:14
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
I can relate.
13:17
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kasi hindi rin naman.
13:18
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Not everyone is fluent in
13:23
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
speaking in Hokkien.
13:25
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So better siya kasi pinapractice yung
13:29
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hokkien.
13:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero if you cannot relay a message using Hokkien.
13:34
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Because sometimes you will stutter or baka
13:39
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
mamali yung pronunciation mo,
13:41
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
baka maiba na yung meaning.
13:43
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So better you say in English or something
13:47
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
na comfortable ka.
13:48
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
13:51
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So kuya nabanggit mo in the
13:55
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
earlier questions na at first you were overwhelmed at first nung medyo may language
14:00
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
barrier pa.
14:01
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
How were you accommodated during those times and even up
14:05
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
to now?
14:06
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Was there a time that you observed that a Hokkien fluent speaker
14:10
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
intentionally shifts to English or Tagalog when speaking to you or speaking
14:14
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
to other members who are less fluent on Hokkien?
14:16
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
How were you accommodated during those times?
14:18
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Wait lang,
14:21
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
inaalala ko eh.
14:23
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
At first kasi,
14:27
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
kapag sa mga
14:31
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
youth,
14:32
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Of course,
14:33
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
they speak in English.
14:35
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero kapag kausap mo si Sister
14:39
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Ruthie,
14:40
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yung mga patatanda,
14:42
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sila Brother Peter,
14:44
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
ganyan,
14:45
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
hindi sila nag -shift ng language
14:49
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
just to accommodate you.
14:51
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, sometimes they try to make
14:56
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
the sentence simpler.
15:00
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
I -explain nila ng mas maigi.
15:03
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero fucking language pa rin yung ginagamit.
15:06
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kung hindi na talaga kaya,
15:08
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sa kanila mag -ano,
15:09
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sa kanila tatag -login or ano.
15:13
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero,
15:14
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yeah.
15:16
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero it's good naman kasi...
15:19
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kahit ako,
15:20
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sa una,
15:21
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
di ko talaga naiintindihan.
15:22
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero eventually,
15:23
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
pag paulit -ulit,
15:25
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
pag ano,
15:27
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
naiintindihan ko na.
15:28
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Paminsan,
15:28
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
nagtatanong pa ulit ako,
15:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Mother,
15:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
tama ba na ganito yung ano?
15:32
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
15:33
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
for confirmation.
15:36
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Based on my understanding,
15:39
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
tinatanong ko kung tama ba yung naiintindihan ko.
15:45
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay, Kuya.
15:45
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
15:46
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
on your side naman,
15:47
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kuya, was there a pressure?
15:49
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
For example,
15:50
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yung kausap mo is fluent
15:54
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
in Hokyan.
15:55
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Was there a pressure or was there a time na ikaw yung nag -adjust na
15:59
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
you spoke in Hokyan to talk to them?
16:03
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Or it's the other way around?
16:05
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Actually,
16:07
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
ano, I'll try.
16:08
S… Speaker 5 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
16:09
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
ano, talagang I'll...
16:10
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
magtatry ako ng best ko to practice Hokkien,
16:14
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
especially when there's an opportunity to speak.
16:17
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
May mga times kasi na may mga Taiwanese
16:21
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
na brothers na pumunta dito.
16:25
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So it's an opportunity to mingle with them,
16:29
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
talk with them,
16:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
practice your Hokkien.
16:33
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kung hindi nila naiintindihan,
16:35
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
mag -English ako.
16:37
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
16:38
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yan.
16:40
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero I try my best to speak.
16:43
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
16:45
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kasi tayang yung opportunity.
16:48
S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
16:50
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
16:51
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, you see,
16:51
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
it is opportunity.
16:52
S… Speaker 2 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Okay.
16:53
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
That's a good insight.
16:54
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Thank you so much,
16:55
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kuya.
16:56
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
16:56
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
for the twelfth question,
16:58
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
how does the mix,
17:00
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
how do you think,
17:01
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Thus, the mixing of languages such as Hokaglish,
17:05
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hokian in English,
17:06
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
or Taglish,
17:08
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Tagalog in English,
17:09
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
occur during youth fellowship and casual interaction.
17:12
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kaya tingin nyo bakit siya nagahalo,
17:14
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
tingin nyo bakit big,
17:16
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
para saan nagagamit yung English,
17:17
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
para saan nagagamit yung Hokian,
17:19
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
bakit biglang yung gantong phrase sinasalita
17:24
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yung Tagalog.
17:24
S… Speaker 1 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, how do you think those mixing of languages occur?
17:28
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
First of all,
17:29
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
terminologies.
17:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Yung problem ng terminologies.
17:33
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Second is how frequent
17:37
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
people are talking with the language.
17:41
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Kasi kung the more you speak in Hokkien,
17:47
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
the more na magiging fluent ka dun sa Hokkien.
17:51
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero if hindi mo siya nagagamit,
17:55
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
and then...
17:57
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
bigla kang kakausapin ng Hokkien,
17:59
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
of course,
18:00
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
your confident level of speaking
18:04
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
the language is less compared to your
18:10
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
used to talk in that language.
18:13
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Diba?
18:14
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, yun.
18:15
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Pero kapag yun nagsishift ng ano,
18:18
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
sometimes terminologies,
18:20
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
problem in terminology,
18:23
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
kasi, yun nga,
18:24
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
even in our
18:26
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Mga school.
18:27
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hindi naman Hokkien yung ginagamit eh.
18:30
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Mandarin.
18:31
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Diba?
18:33
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Mandarin yung ginagamit sa pagturo sa mga schools.
18:37
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So the only way you can speak in Hokkien
18:41
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
is with your parents,
18:44
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
with elder,
18:45
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
mga matatanda na mga Chinese,
18:48
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
or yun,
18:52
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
saka sa church.
18:54
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So, yun lang yung avenue mo to speak in Hokkien.
18:59
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
19:01
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
yun, mas less yung chance to speak in
19:05
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
Hokkien.
19:05
S… Speaker 6 ([Ayah] Gerson)
So,
19:06
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
kaya sila nagsishift to more comfortable
19:10
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
language.
19:11
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
And sometimes,
19:13
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
nasa tao din yung attitude
19:17
S… Speaker 4 ([Ayah] Gerson)
natin towards learning the language.

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