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You are good to go. Okay, so today is April 29th, Wednesday at 8 a.m. I'm Officer Jacob Bolton with the Atlantic Police Academy getting ready to do my suspect interview on a Reese Allen for an armed robbery that occurred today at the APA store.

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Hello, sir. Reese, is it? Yeah. Jacob. How you doing? Not too bad. You can call me Jake or Jacob, whatever works for you. I'll see the door here. Reese works with you? Yes, sir. Coffee, water, juice? No, I'll do it right now. Okay. All right. So, as you know, we're here. I'm conducting an interview. You were picked up by one of the guys today, from my understanding, at...

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Near the EPA store, there was a robbery that occurred, so we're just going to fly through some questions and whatnot. So you said Reese is fine. Just so you know, Reese, this is audio and video recorded, okay? There's a bathroom if you need it, and if you need any snacks anytime, you just let me know or some water, okay? Okay. So first, I'm just going to make sure you understand your rights to counsel, your primary caution, and your secondary caution. All read. You understand everything, obviously. It's all good. Gotcha. Gotcha.

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Cool. So, Reece, really quick before we get into anything, I just want to talk about honesty. Okay, so obviously it's very important, to be honest. Would you agree with that statement? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

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By being honest, we can kind of get to the exact story that occurred. It'll make this go a lot smoother, a lot faster. Looks better for you, right? More reputable. And it just looks good, right? So on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm just going to ask you, 1 being not honest at all and 10 being super honest, where would you say you fall on that scale?

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I'd say I'm pretty high. I mean, everyone lies here and there. Just white lies, stuff like that. Yeah, it happens. I'd say probably nine. You see you're at a nine? Okay, that's what I want to hear, Reese. I want to hear that you're a nine because I want to hear nothing but the truth, okay? Today, that's what we're going to do. That's our goal. It's to get to the truth and get this done, okay? That's good.

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Real quick, I noticed there you grew up in Cape Breton. Yeah. Fun fact, I'm actually moving to Cape Breton here soon. Really? Yeah, I got a transfer. So Cape Breton, it looks beautiful. I've never really been there. Yeah. What's it like living in Cape Breton? It's great. I've been there my whole life, born and raised. Born and raised? Yeah. Lived there until I was about 18, went to high school there.

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I live right in Sydney. Right in the main town. Yeah, yeah, because I use the main town in Sydney, or in Cape Breton. There's lots of things to do on the island, especially in the summer. It's a beautiful island. It's one of the top-ranked islands.

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in the world for tourism and stuff like that. I heard they got Wicked Golf. They got a nice golf course there. Did you play golf? I have, yeah. Not that much. I only picked it up the last couple summers and been busy with work and stuff like that.

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get out as much as I can. Yes, from what I hear about Cape Breton, Sydney's sort of the main hub, and then you've got all these sort of more rural areas, is that correct? Yeah. Yeah, so I'll be in Sydney, so I'm super excited about that. I love the outdoors, the hiking and stuff. Are you in the same? Yeah, somewhat. Yeah, there's a couple trails, mountains near Sydney, but if you want to go to the real beauty of the island, you'd have to go a little bit outside of Sydney. Right outside. Yeah, there's...

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There's tons of places. Waterfalls? Yeah, a couple little hidden waterfalls, little hidden gems around the island that you can make a day trip out of, stuff like that. Little day trips? Yeah. Cool, right on. I know you said you play a little golf, but you obviously must play some football or some hockey. Yeah, hockey. You play hockey? Yeah, a big hockey player. I play hockey all growing up.

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Just finished last year, just finished my last year of junior when I was 20 or 21, aged out. But yeah, I played hockey my whole life. All coming up since I was about skating, since I was two years old. You any good? Yeah, I consider myself not bad. Yeah, not bad, eh? Yeah, right on. You must have traveled a lot for that, I imagine. Yeah, after, well, when I was 18, went out to Calgary.

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We are considered the hosts for the Teles Cup and the national championship. You guys were? What was your team? The Sydney Mitsubishi Rush. Mitsubishi Rush? Yeah. Cool. Cool.

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No, we won one game. We weren't expected to even win one game. Oh, okay, and you won one. We did win one. All right, did you celebrate that then? Oh, yeah. That was a big accomplishment in our books. Right on. Yeah, I've always wanted to go to Calgary. It's the outdoor stuff. It just draws me, right? Yeah, of course. Cool. Right on, Reese. Hey, I appreciate all that. So, obviously, as you know, we got you here. You were picked up by one of our guys. There was an armed robbery at the APA store, so we've got to ask you some questions on that, okay? Okay.

5:30

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So first, just to let you know, the robbery that occurred today, it was around 4.30, and we picked you up not far behind some cars here. So we're going to kind of start with some questions from earlier on and move through it, okay? So first off, I just want to ask you, Rhys, so what are your thoughts on someone who might commit this crime? There's different...

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factors that play into it. I mean, people have their reasons for everything, right? So if one person's needs are a mess or like people, some people do whatever they have to do to just kind of scrape by, make it by, you know what I mean? To survive. Yeah. Right? Exactly. So you think maybe in a case like this where there was a robbery, someone looking for money, maybe times were hard.

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and maybe they felt the need to do whatever necessary in order to get that money. Yeah. Do you agree with that? Possible someone could do that, like I said, and everyone's situation is different. So in terms of why you think someone might commit this crime, you think you would be more so for desperate measures? Probably, in maybe this kind of situation, yeah. In this kind of situation, yeah.

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What do you think, Reese, should happen to someone who commits a crime like this? An armed robbery at a little APA store with a firearm pointed at someone? Firearms are dangerous, right? Very dangerous. Yeah. So, I don't know the whole criminal code, kind of stuff like that, how punishment's dished out. Yeah. But, yeah, I'd say maybe a lengthy punishment. Yeah.

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And you agree, like you said, firearms are dangerous, right? So, you know, in this case where firearms are getting pointed at a clerk who's just working his nine-to-five, you know, for money, that's a scary and very serious crime. Yeah. Yeah. And yes, you're correct. It would be a very lengthy process, but definitely punishment. Would you agree that someone, you know, that the action should be dealt with, right? Yeah, of course.

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Okay. Reese, can you just tell me about your day-to-day from kind of the time that you woke up until the time that you were picked up by those two vehicles by our officer? I was just walking around, kind of just... I mean, I was never near that store that you mentioned. I don't even know what that... The APA store? Yeah, I don't know. You weren't near there today at all? No. You ever been there at all before in your life? No. Never? No.

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Never stepped foot in there? No. I don't usually go in stores like that. It's a lot of little convenience stores. Sometimes you need dangerous places. A lot of stuff can happen. You're saying there's a robbery at it. That can be pretty common. So you can confidently say that you've never stepped foot in that APA building? No.

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No, as in you haven't? I haven't, no. Okay. Okay, right on. Yeah, just continue about your day. You said you weren't around there, so where were you after you woke up? I was just walking around out for a stroll. I saw a couple of my buddies, and yeah, just mind my own business. Running some errands maybe? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, something like that. Okay.

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Do you think you can go in a little bit more detail, specifically between 4 o'clock today and 5.30? As much detail as you can. Exactly what you were up to. Yeah, I just went and met my friends. We kind of were just hanging out around the neighborhood. We were trying to make a plan for the night to see what we were going to do. We were going to go up some of these.

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go to someone's house and have a couple of drinks or something like that. Yeah, I noticed you value time with your friends, is that correct? Yeah. Going for drinks, hanging out, right on, right on. So between four...

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530 you were just with your how many friends just a couple buddies yes okay in what area of town are you in uh salmon park okay yeah around that apa store at all during that time maybe walk by it but definitely didn't enter it no you never entered it no okay okay all right

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Um, has a crime like this, like the crime we've been describing, would that be appealing to you at all? Like, was that something that you think you would ever do if you felt you needed to? No. Never? I don't think, no. There's been, like, times that aren't the easiest now, but I mean, I've had the inclination to, I don't need stuff. Okay, Reese. I'll just ask you, too, like, did you commit this crime today? No? No.

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cap on that folds out into a ski mask. Pretty nice day, pretty hot day out. Any reason that you'd be carrying around a ski mask with you? I mean, you had it with you when we got you. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I mean, it was nice out today, but the weather here, it's like up and down. I mean, I'd say, you know, one day it could be cold in the morning, one day it could get warmer as the day goes by. I mean, I just...

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Kind of for the mornings, it's a little bit colder, so sometimes I'm not always the warmest person. Even in higher temperatures, I was sometimes a little cold, so yeah. Yeah, it's pretty cold here. It's like, hey, Brent. It's the island life, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The wind. Okay, okay. Yeah, because you know you had it as a cap, but it folds right into a ski mask, so kind of caught our attention, right? We probably just had a robbery where someone had the same mask. Yeah, I mean, they don't have the same mask.

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The same mask? Yeah, same black mask, pulled out. I don't know. Not sure about that? People don't always wear T-masks and rotteries, right? It's not necessary. 100% right, yeah. So you usually carry that with you, usually happens to happen when you're cold, from my understanding, you'll pull it down. Yeah, if it's a really cold day, face cold, neck's cold kind of thing. You'll pull it down. Put it down, just keeps you warm. Keeps you warm. Yeah. Okay.

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What are your thoughts on firearms, pistols, restricted weapons? I've never touched one. You've never touched one? No. You've never owned one, never touched one? No. Never seen with them. I don't know if I've seen one in real life. Maybe on TVs and movies and stuff like that. But you've never touched one? Do you agree that some people might have them for protection reasons? Like that there could be reasons someone might want to carry a pistol with them?

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Yeah, that would definitely make sense. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. When you were spotted on the trail today, okay, you were seen throwing money on the ground. Yeah. And you ran from the police. So money and we actually located a firearm with the cash as well on the ground. So is there any reason that you would have saw police and had a firearm on you?

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some cash on you, threw on the ground, and then fled? Yeah, it's kind of hard to talk about. I got a dealer that I owed money to. I just thought it was him, so I threw the money on the ground, hoping he would just pick it up and ran away. I didn't want to trouble with him. I know you understand the firearm thing. You said you've never touched one. I'm just going to remind you of the honesty thing.

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You would agree that they're there for protection. You just told me that you've been involved with maybe the wrong people. You may have fell down a path that maybe you're trying to get away from. It happens, and that's normal. So I'll just give you another opportunity real quick to tell me about the firearm that was located with the cache that was observed being thrown onto the ground.

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in the trail there. Was that a firearm maybe you had for a short period of time for protection? Yeah, I don't know. Like, I mean, right, I kind of got mixed up in the wrong crowd, but like I said, I was with a couple friends, and I mean, I don't know. Maybe they could have had one on them. They never showed me anything like that, but... Do you think it's possible they might have passed you the firearm, you might have been high-stressed, took it, had the money?

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Like you just described, thought you saw that guy coming and you might have thrown him onto the ground? The money, like, maybe, because I was supposed to pay him, and the money wasn't enough of what I owed him. I was kind of just throwing it on the ground, hoping he would take it, and maybe that would be enough. It was the police officer that saw you on the trail, alone.

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when we observed the money being thrown on the ground. Is there any reason that you may have mistaked the police officer for your buddy? Maybe, but even police. I've had run-ins with them before, and the run-ins have never been real friendly, in my opinion. I didn't want to get tied up with either person, either the police or the... But you were alone on that trail. Yeah, and that...

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At that time, I think I was, yeah. But you said initially you were with others? Yeah. Okay, so maybe they'd split off? I was with them not long before that, but when I started taking off, I was just tunnel vision on kind of where I wanted to go. Through the mine and the fire on the ground. So in terms of being out of breath and hiding behind those two vehicles where you were located,

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Why was that? Like I said, I was just hiding, kind of hiding from my drug dealer. Yeah, I might have, like you said, I might have touched the gun. But just as a police officer, I was out to get me. It's crazy. Yeah, so you were scared. Yeah. I appreciate you telling me that. And once again, you said you're at that nine, so we just want to encourage you to keep being...

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S… Speaker 2 (260429_0701 AUDIO)

giving me the truth, okay, because there's a few things, as you can tell, that aren't quite adding up. So Reese, I just want to talk to you a little bit about something. So at that APA store when the robbery occurred, there was a police dog service, okay, and it tracked a scent. So the individual that robbed that store had a scent that was then tracked on the same path you went.

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onto the trail you went, and right outside the trail, near the two vehicles that you were crouched behind. So if you weren't in the APA store, like you mentioned to me, why is it that a dog would have, a trained canine, would have picked up your scent in the APA store and followed your exact path to where you were located? I don't know, like I said, I might have walked by there, and I think the police...

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S… Speaker 1 (260429_0701 AUDIO)

Dogs came after me before, so I mean, I don't know really what they're like or how they're trained, but they could have had my scent from a different time dealing with me, you know what I mean? It's kind of been happening a couple times, and like I said, I've had runs, and the police dogs have been brought out, and just that scent, I don't know, maybe they could have remembered. Okay.

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I noticed your criminal history was clean, so I'm not sure of any run-ins you've had previously with the dogs, but I can tell you that they are extremely well trained and that it was your scent that was located within the building where the armed robbery occurred, okay? And then that scent was then tracked on the same path you took, okay, to the same place, okay? So it's just really not...

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Looking good. So again, if there's anything you want to tell me, you need to make it clear now, okay? It's okay. I just thought I'd be blamed for everything because that's just how it always is. It's so frustrating. I'm sick of being blamed for stuff. You're sick of being blamed for stuff? Do you feel like you're being blamed right now? Yeah. Do you feel like you're being blamed? That's exactly what it feels like in this room. I guess I'm a suspect.

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S… Speaker 1 (260429_0701 AUDIO)

Again, feels like I'm getting blamed. Feels like you're being blamed? Yeah. So you're, again, alluding towards the fact, I just want to make sure I have this right, that you were not in that building today, you did not commit this crime, and you feel like you're being blamed? I mean, I don't know how close I would have been to get, for the dollars to get my scent, but... What about this? The clerk working behind the counter.

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Mr. Smith obtained a witness statement from another officer. Exactly what you're wearing. To the exact T. The black ski mask. The firearm pointed at Smith. We have Smith telling us that the counter was touched with no gloves. And that the suspect ran out the door, fled south on the Argus towards the trail that you were located on. Exactly what you're wearing.

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What are the chances that it could be someone else wearing the same thing and a police canine attract your scent? Do you see where this is going? Do you see how this looks? Yeah. It's the same thing. I mean, the scent thing. I mean, I was around the store. I was probably, I might have been close to it. We did go inside one building. I didn't see the name of it.

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Or anything like that, but it was... Convenience store style? Maybe more like a... They sell food and drinks. Okay, how long were you in there for? And who were you in there with? I was just in there by myself, because the other people I was with, they didn't... So your buddies, they waited outside? Yeah. How long were you in there? Just ballpark. What exactly did you do when you were in there? What was the purpose? I just wanted a snack. Did you purchase anything? No, I just...

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I really liked. I was looking around, but I didn't see anything. I really wanted to eat or drink. Okay. What if I told you we have some of the best ident workers out there who can pick up fingerprints like it's nobody's business? Okay. Our witness said the suspect touched the counter with no gloves. What do you think we might find when we test that? Do you think your fingerprints could come up on that counter? That APA store? I mean, if I...

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Was there what you guys also planted this you think that we planted it maybe yeah trying to blame me and Make me take the blame for stuff could be

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