Peter Folan
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in contact with a number of fellow colleagues.
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Let's
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go for this.
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Just
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black?
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Just black,
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thanks. Is that okay? Okay,
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I'll bring it in.
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Thanks.
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You can call me Chris.
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Chris.
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Yeah,
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come on in.
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Please, have a seat.
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Thanks.
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Yeah.
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So where are you coming in from?
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I came in from Luxembourg,
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Germany area.
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Oh, no kidding.
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Yeah,
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I've been in Europe for a blast.
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25 years or so no way what do you do out there i worked as a quant
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um
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writing financial models and for systems that we,
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that the banks use for derivatives.
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So back through processing.
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That's great.
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What brought you up there?
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What's funny actually,
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one of our, Darcy Carroll,
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who's running the 75 reunion,
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he also worked with me in Europe.
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He worked in Frankfurt.
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It's funny,
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I was implementing a system for his bank while he was working at the bank
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as a prop trader.
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And also I met Danny Maynard in London.
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So what brought me out there was a mixture of things.
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Essentially,
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Europe was the right time.
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What happened to you out there?
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Well,
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I first started working there in 1989.
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A lot of times,
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yeah. Donkeys years ago,
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as the Brits say.
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Yeah.
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And then ultimately moved to London.
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That was a dynamic place.
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The derivatives boom was just starting.
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So I was right there.
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You hit it at the right time.
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At the right time,
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right place.
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Isn't that amazing how that happens?
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Yeah,
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well, I have to say I was well prepared.
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Went to Dexter.
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Wonderful education.
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academy and then you know with that uh
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you're pretty much uh thanks you're pretty much sorted aren't you yeah that's
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sterling education yeah that's great did you like nothing again yeah it
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was great yeah yeah what grade did you start there right up to
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dexter no you never know when people come
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some kids are leaving six so oh that's great yeah no um what
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town were you from originally where'd you grow up we're all from canton originally yeah
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oh okay that's great nice yeah it's
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um we were the only uh four from canton actually we had four brothers
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who went here yeah how did you guys i'm always interested how did you find the school back
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then
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Well, we thought it was brilliant.
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I mean, we had such good teachers.
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We had Mr.
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Potton for French.
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I won the French Prize.
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I got the Music Prize.
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We studied Latin with Mr.
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Finley.
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I don't know if you know his trajectory.
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Unfortunately, he was an expert sailor.
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We went sailing with him up to Maine for Boston on a great trip.
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Unfortunately,
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he died in one of the tall ship races.
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No way.
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A long time ago,
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yeah. There was a storm came up.
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Only one person survived,
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the person at the helm.
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And there's one of these tall ship races.
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No way.
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And the helms had looked up.
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It was at four in the morning.
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Everyone's crashed downstairs.
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He looked up.
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There's a noise.
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He looked up and sees this wall of water.
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That's it.
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The boat went down and he launched the raft.
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He survived to tell the story.
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So yeah.
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No way.
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Yeah.
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But that was a tragic...
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The ocean's terrifying to me.
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I love it,
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but people have no understanding of the...
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It can be frightening.
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I've been sailing many,
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many times.
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I have my yacht master from Portsmouth in England,
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and it's always leery of the ocean.
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You never know what this thing might do.
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Yeah, the respect we need to have for the waters.
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Yeah,
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so we have some formidable teachers at Dexter,
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the math teachers,
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everyone.
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I mean, our careers live off from
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that. The poor brother.
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We all came here,
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yeah. Well, we're six brothers.
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Four came here.
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Others went to park,
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etc.
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And my sister went to Beaver Country Day.
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Wow,
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big family.
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Good for you guys.
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How did your family discover it from Canton?
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Well,
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my father's a math teacher.
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Oh, he was a teacher.
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Okay, I got it.
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In Canton?
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No, in Quincy.
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He found out about Dexter,
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of course, and was quite adamant that we had the best
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education available,
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and that was Dexter.
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I think it's clearly said that
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it was an outstanding education.
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We all thrived,
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with the exception of one that...
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that I'm here to talk about with you today.
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So we all thrived.
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Edmund was class of 72.
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He's a surgeon.
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He went to Groton after here and then
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went to Duke.
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He's now working for the U .S.
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Army, actually technically for the,
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he's working operations like Iraq as a surgical consultant.
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So he's now a lieutenant colonel.
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Damien was an engineer.
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I've worked in Europe as a quant.
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And Richard has,
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yeah,
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he's found it.
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And it was never clear to us.
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It was always a mystery.
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What is wrong with him?
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And I only found out about this,
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Peter, a year and a half ago,
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two years ago.
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He was not going to tell anybody.
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This was a secret he hid.
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And he didn't even tell me.
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He just pointed to a pile of documents.
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I read through them and I was horrified to read his psychotherapy notes,
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which revealed these events
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that took place.
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Yeah, it's an unhappy topic to mention but I
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found out about it and we
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found out also that that there was an investigation in
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2013 and Richard only found out by
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chance and I think it was 2020.
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So he found out seven years later.
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Now just to give you some pictures.
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Here's a picture of six boys.
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Three Massey,
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three Mohawks.
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If there was one of the boys that looked like an outlier,
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who would you might say that was?
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There's five
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boys who have a soft smile.
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There's one who looks distraught.
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That's the one on the top left.
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This is my brother here.
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Half ripped t -shirt.
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the questioning look to me he looks distraught but yeah I mean when compared
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to the others that have a soft smile everyone happy grand that's
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who we're talking about he was eight years old and nine years old when he was
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Yeah, first assaulted.
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This is him in second grade when he was eight.
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This is my older brother,
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Ed, from the sixth grade.
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So this is who we're talking about.
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I prepared some documents just to help you go through.
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Can I keep these?
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Absolutely.
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I can send you all documents by email,
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but I'll leave all documents with you as well.
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So who are we talking about?
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So here for 1971 is this
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uh dexter document of faculty and staff who resignations
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so so here's the uh resignation of mr ferguson in
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june of 71.
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you can
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see from the towns here canton that's us yep so
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so just
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tell me trying to understand so this is a letter or
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something that
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the school sent out about the new school year?
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Yes,
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so this is just to say what happened.
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So here's a letter sent out in 2013.
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Sorry.
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Yes,
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I've heard of this letter.
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Okay, so it says there's some troubling news.
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There's an employee.
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Allegedly,
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some inappropriate acts.
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It doesn't mention any names.
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It's not really clear.
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It happened 40 years ago.
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Anyway,
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so this was sent out in May 2013.
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okay so i'd like to give some clarity of who this person was okay who
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it is they're talking about because um i did my research i
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did my own sort of investigation after i found after i found out about this
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i did my own investigation because we never heard of it four brooks went to dexter
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no one heard anything about this it was claimed that these were sent to the
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entire dexter community it's it's just not true peter
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maybe he was sent out to as many as
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possible of the class of 1972 where the two boys were assaulted from but i'm getting ahead
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of myself uh this person mr ferguson uh here he is um
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he worked there so i'll just give you just for context
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from my perspective so i was at catholic memorial um prior
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to my arrival the school did
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something similar having you know sort of a notification letter for
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lack of a better word right
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As the longer I've been here,
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the more akin I see their database of this institution
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with the database of CM,
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meaning sporadic information,
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not well -maintained addresses coming
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and going.
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So a database not really up -to -date,
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let's say.
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No, like not.
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Really interesting because
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of...
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My brass tacks read of the place,
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and I've been here 120 days,
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I have no nothing other than what I see.
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The systems and structures by which they maintained
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and kept the database of alumni are pretty poor.
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because of the comings and goings of boys that were left
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in sixth grade to go to Bama Hill or whatever.
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So I'm not defending them,
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I'm just saying I've been really stunned by the lack for
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a hundred years old of the institution.
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the lack of an alumni database that's profound.
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It's pretty bad.
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That's just my honest read,
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hand to God.
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But I hear you.
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I'm just giving you a quick take.
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I had a similar conversation at CM with
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that notification letter that we put out,
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that the school put out prior to my arrival.
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And I had to say to that person,
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I got to be honest,
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we don't get mail.
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John Fish,
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who's a billionaire,
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for some reason isn't getting our mail.
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Unfortunately.
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Got to track him down.
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Believe me,
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I 100 % agree.
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But okay, we'll continue.
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So this is Mr.
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Ferguson. This is Mr.
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Ferguson. So he worked here from 65 to 71,
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six years.
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His mother also happened to be the secretary of Mr.
14:27
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Finney, who at the time was the headmaster.
14:29
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There he is.
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Let me explain how...
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This is Ferguson.
14:35
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
This is Ferguson,
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yeah. Now,
14:37
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I did my own research when I figured out that there was an
14:41
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investigation in 2013 that none of us heard.
14:43
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So I did my own investigation,
14:45
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and this is part of what I found out.
14:47
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So Mr.
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Finney fired him in 1971,
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January,
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
after he assaulted.
14:53
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He went to New York as a chaperone for a family,
14:56
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and he assaulted one of the sons.
15:00
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It's kind of ironic that the father hired him to protect his family,
15:04
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and he assaulted his family.
15:06
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In Europe.
15:07
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In Europe, yeah.
15:07
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And so Mr.
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Finney, when the family came back,
15:10
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
of course, they accosted Mr.
15:13
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Finney, and Mr.
15:14
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Finney fired him.
15:14
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Let's say he removed him from his duties as teaching,
15:18
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
but he was still present on the campus.
15:20
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was still living in his apartment.
15:22
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
During that time,
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he was also assaulting other students.
15:25
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Come the spring of 1971,
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he assaulted a second student.
15:29
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
But this time,
15:30
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the family was outraged.
15:32
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He assaulted him in the shower room and lured the student in with
15:36
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a go -kart.
15:37
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He said, do you want to learn about go -karts?
15:39
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At the time, they used go -karts to go up and down the street because he worked at
15:43
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the lower school and he worked up at the other public school.
15:45
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So he assaulted him in the shower room.
15:48
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This second student escaped,
15:50
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
raced home.
15:52
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I told his parents.
15:53
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And his parents called the police.
15:55
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And they arrested him the next day,
15:58
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Monday morning at Dexter Premises.
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And then Mr.
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Finney fired him for the second time.
16:05
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
During the spring of 1971,
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my brother,
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I found out that that was the height of the sexual assault against him
16:16
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
as well.
16:16
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was groomed in
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
1969.
16:21
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was in eighth grade.
16:22
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Sorry,
16:23
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
he was eight years old in the second grade.
16:28
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I'm just trying to grab that again.
16:29
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Okay, Richard starts good.
16:31
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
16:32
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
1969.
16:33
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was eight years old.
16:34
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
And Mr.
16:38
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Ferguson's grooming started then.
16:40
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
16:40
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And it progressed to the spring of 71,
16:44
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
when he was already being assaulted.
16:46
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Assaulted,
16:47
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I mean raped.
16:47
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
16:48
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And the height of that,
16:49
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
I knew it was at springtime.
16:52
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When I suppose Mr.
16:55
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Ferguson's...
16:57
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
a free reign over children would come to an end when he was really fired.
17:01
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
17:02
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
All those records say,
17:03
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
fine.
17:04
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
That's Mr.
17:05
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Ferguson assaulting children at that age.
17:07
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
So Richard begins Dexter in the fall of
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
1969.
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
That's right.
17:13
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Okay, I'm not kidding.
17:14
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
17:15
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
and Ferguson was fired in June of 1971.
17:18
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So he's there two years.
17:19
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was basically groomed and assaulted for two years.
17:23
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
when he was eight and nine years old.
17:24
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
17:26
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
so Ferguson gets fired.
17:27
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Here's a record of what happened to him after Dexter.
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was arrested in 1985 for assaulting his own stepchildren.
17:34
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
This is according to the Brookline Police.
17:36
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
I'm not making up,
17:37
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
these are the quotes.
17:38
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So eight counts
17:42
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
of an indecent assault against his own stepchildren.
17:46
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Okay.
17:46
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Then he was then registered as a child sex offender
17:50
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
in Massachusetts in 1985.
17:51
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was arrested again in 2000 for child pornography and
17:56
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
ultimately spent three years,
17:57
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
34 months in prison.
17:59
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
So EPD is at Boston.
18:03
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Brookline.
18:03
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Brookline.
18:04
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
So he stays in Brookline.
18:05
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah. He was
18:09
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
arrested by the Brookline police after the second assault.
18:12
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
18:13
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And so that in a nutshell is the history of Mr.
18:16
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Ferguson.
18:17
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So this letter that was sent out.
18:19
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
that says,
18:20
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
alleged to some troubling news that someone,
18:23
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
there's a teacher unknown,
18:25
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
not named.
18:25
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Not many people knew who
18:30
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
they were talking about.
18:31
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
I'll come to that later.
18:35
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
But this is the troubling
18:41
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
news that's mentioned in this letter.
18:42
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
It doesn't give many details,
18:44
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
it just says 40 years ago,
18:45
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
this employee.
18:46
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
This employee was well known by all of us,
18:48
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Peter.
18:49
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
We had a nickname for him.
18:51
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
His name was Faggason.
18:52
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And the only reason,
18:53
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
well, I didn't even know what that meant at that age.
18:56
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
But there was a student,
18:58
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
David Riley.
18:59
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
And during this period when Ferguson was fired for
19:03
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
the first time,
19:04
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
I was relieved of his duties,
19:06
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
but he was still on campus.
19:07
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He used to still be present on campus.
19:09
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
He was watching the boys play sports.
19:11
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
One time,
19:12
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
David Riley went up to a class of 72 and yelled,
19:16
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Faggason.
19:17
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
At that point,
19:18
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
he could get away with it because he knew he'd already been fired and he couldn't really
19:22
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
find any retribution by saying that.
19:25
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
So the whole school knew him.
19:27
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
We all knew him.
19:27
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
I knew him.
19:28
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Everybody knew him.
19:29
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Even though most of us had no idea what it meant.
19:32
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
But some of them did.
19:33
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
The boys in 72,
19:35
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
they knew what that meant.
19:36
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I didn't know what that meant at that time.
19:37
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
19:40
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
so that's the streamers first.
19:41
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Then the next page,
19:42
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
if you go to the next page,
19:43
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
there's a second letter sent out.
19:44
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
It's sent out in August.
19:52
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
This is the first letter sent out in May, right? It doesn't give you much detail.
20:00
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
months later on august 6th it comes out and says yes um
20:04
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
it seems reasonably clear based on our thorough investigation that
20:09
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
at least two students were how do
20:14
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
they call it um acted inappropriately towards these
20:18
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
two students it doesn't
20:32
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
give much details peter it doesn't reveal any details about the investigation
20:36
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
does say that under the leadership and the guidance of the council
20:41
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Hundreds of documents were read.
20:43
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Lots of people were interviewed.
20:45
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I'll give you time for that.
20:48
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
21:28
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
so I just want to point this out that,
21:31
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
you know,
21:32
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
it says, you know,
21:33
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
lots of people were interviewed,
21:35
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
hundreds of archived documents were sent.
21:36
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
And it said it was mailed to everybody.
21:39
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
21:40
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I mean.
21:40
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Speaker 2 (Peter Folan)
Yeah.
21:41
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
And I know what you said earlier that,
21:43
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
yeah, the data is just not so accurate.
21:47
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Let's be clear.
21:47
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I'm here at the Dexter Book of 2011.
21:49
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Here's my brother's name,
21:51
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Edmund.
21:51
S…
Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
He still has the same house.
21:52
S…
Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
He never got any letter.
21:53
S…
Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
We have four Berkshire ones at Dexter.
21:55
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Nobody got letters.
21:56
S…
Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I did my own investigation.
21:58
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Tomorrow night,
21:59
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
you'll meet Jack Warner,
22:00
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
John Warner.
22:01
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I met with him.
22:02
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I said, John,
22:03
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
did you get any letters?
22:04
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I interviewed about 30 people.
22:07
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Half the people never got the letters.
22:08
S…
Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
The people who did get the letters were interviewed.
22:10
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
by Schwartzen and the lawyers.
22:12
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Okay,
22:12
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
so now John Warner has had the same email address for the last 25 years.
22:15
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
I said, John, you didn't get these letters.
22:17
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
He said, definitely not.
22:18
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
So I said,
22:19
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
well, did you get any donation?
22:21
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
Yes,
22:21
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Speaker 1 (Peter Folan)
he did.
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