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yeah okay so as you know it's it's for my thesis

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i'm looking into kind of barriers and enablers for sustainable

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supply chain um with a focus on smes but i'm

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still looking to i might look to broaden the focus yes

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because um it's quite hard to get interviews particularly for

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sme so i'm kind of just looking maybe at just irish companies um as

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a whole thing so

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So beginning would you tell me a bit about your background and your role in the company

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and what they kind of do surrounding sustainability?

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Yeah, so my role is I'm a sustainability project manager

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and I work in the Musgrave Group.

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So it's a large food wholesale group.

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We have two divisions,

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a wholesale division that would sell primarily to large

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B2B customers,

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hotel chains,

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restaurant chains,

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things like that.

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And then that would also operate a number of cash and carries.

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That side of the business would also have some entities in

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Great Britain.

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And then separately,

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we have the retail side of the business where we would operate two

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big retail brands.

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So Super Value from a supermarket perspective and Central

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and from a convenience store perspective.

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And the model there is primarily independent retailers.

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So the business would sell to independent retailers,

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but we would also own and operate a number of stores ourselves.

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And so I work

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in sustainability then in the group commercial function.

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And my role is probably 50

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% compliance.

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So my job is to keep abreast of recent

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regulatory and legislative developments at European

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and UK level and then communicate that to the business and

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try to figure out what the impact is of these various legislation and

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what it would take for the business to comply.

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Another 40 % would be...

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So I would compile our group emissions

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reporting, food waste reporting,

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things like that.

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And then the last 10 % would be general

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customer queries,

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answering questionnaires,

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work on the strategy itself.

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So yeah,

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that's kind of my role in a nutshell.

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So would you be able to chat about some of the kind of initiatives your company's

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taken surrounding sustainability?

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Yeah, of course.

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So I suppose our strategy as it is has three

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pillars. So one is our planet pillar.

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So that's pretty much to do with reducing

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resource use.

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So that could be energy,

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food waste,

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packaging.

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These would be the main resources that are used in the business.

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So from an energy perspective,

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we...

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we measure our scope one and two emissions every year and we have

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that footprint verified and some of the targets

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we've set there are to reduce our

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emissions in our own operations to net zero by the year 2040 and in our value chain by

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the year 2050 in terms of scope one and two then our near term target is to reduce

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our scope one and two emissions by 42 percent by 2030 and

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i suppose that you can divide our work in so that's scope

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one and two is the is the um we would own those emissions essentially they're directly

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coming from our business so in um

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For scope one and two,

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about a third of our emissions is the fuel for lorries.

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And what we're doing there is we're switching

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to hydro -treated vegetable oil.

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So we're changing the trucks so that they can take in HVO.

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So its emissions are up to 90 % less.

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on a litre by litre comparison basis with diesel.

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So we're working towards the target of that 50 % of the fuel used in

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the fleet will be HVO by 2030.

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The next biggest part,

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the next biggest emissions location in...

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from scope one and two is the electricity.

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So we purchased 100 % renewable electricity on a

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market basis.

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And then on a location basis where,

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you know,

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we've major solar projects.

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So we've about 20 % of the supply chain is powered

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by solar.

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So that's one of the larger solar arrays in a private

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business in the country.

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And then finally,

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then the last big one,

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and that's, I think, is refrigeration.

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So obviously across the business,

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we're trying to keep.

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keep food cold if it's going to go to stores so we are we

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put doors on fridges to make them more efficient we use more efficient

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refrigerant gases and that's kind of the in that size we're also

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working on reducing food waste in our in our supply chain

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so we would the main tool we would use areas

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It's charity redistribution.

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So we'd give away any surplus food to charity through our

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partnership with Food Cloud.

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And then we'd also work up with the operations teams

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just to be more efficient in using food and kind of if there's

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stuff going loose.

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And so we kind of repackage it together and try to reduce our food waste that way.

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And then packaging.

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So we don't really...

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produce packaging per se because we're not a manufacturer but obviously we buy products

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that come in packaging or we supply packaging to shops to like

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you know the wrappers for a chicken fillet roll for example so we've

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policies there that we're moving towards.

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We want all the packaging that we buy to be 100 % recyclable and then

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we stipulate to our suppliers that any product,

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any own brand product you're supplying to Monsgrave has to be recyclable and

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that it can be recycled in practice as well.

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So that's on that side.

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Loads of targets on that side.

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We have another pillar there around sourcing.

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So this is where

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So this is an area where we're probably underdeveloped in previous years,

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but we're trying to put in a

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stronger basis in how we source.

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So typically sourcing is done by,

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you know, quality,

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spec, price will be the main things you'd purchase on.

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But now we're trying to include sustainability in that decision -making process.

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We put in stipulations for suppliers around,

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you know, where food is coming from and,

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you know,

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what certifications it would have.

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So that's kind of the sourcing.

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And then we're also working directly with suppliers on certain key aspects,

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you know, that would be important to the supply of certain foods or that sector.

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And then finally,

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our community is another one,

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its last pillar.

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And this is where,

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you know, the retail stores in particular are,

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you know,

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they're owned by local retailers,

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essentially local business people.

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So we've got quite strong connections to the community.

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So we would have big sponsorship deals with the Tidy Towns,

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the GAA would be the ones that would be most notable.

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okay so you kind of touched on it a good bit there but like with regards

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to your supply chain do you have like uh a criteria when selecting

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like suppliers or distributors or like any partnerships

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that you're going into that like they're they have sustainability standards

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um already implemented you know if you're going to partnership with them

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being honest I would say no coming from a coming from a low base there

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I think we would have had previously we would have had ambitions and policies

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I think but kind of what gets written down as a policy is like a commitment

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but again the next step is actually you know making that commitment a

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reality in terms of the processes you put in place so

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That's currently something we're working on at the moment,

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is implementing those sort

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of requirements with our suppliers.

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So one such example now is human rights.

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So human rights is an area I look after from a sustainability

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perspective.

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And so what we've done is we've now updated

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our policy to say that it's mandatory for

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us to conduct.

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due diligence with our suppliers with regards to human rights.

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So we say now,

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if you want to supply Mosgrave,

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you have to link with us on SEDEX,

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which is like a platform which administers all

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this. So they administer a questionnaire around your human rights practices.

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And if they are not sufficient through that questionnaire,

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we then submit,

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then the suppliers have to submit to an audit.

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So that's important because

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There's human rights issues all over supply chains.

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What are people...

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Like or not,

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like there's in terms of labor,

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you know, people aren't paid the right wages.

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There's all sorts of practices go along because we're sourced from all over the world.

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So we can't rely on our suppliers to be truthful and

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saying that everything is above board.

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So we have to check that.

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So that's an example of one we've just recently implemented.

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But that takes time so that if the right new policy,

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we have to get that approved by the business.

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We have to inform the buyers that this is now an

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issue.

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that if you had an issue one of your suppliers it could potentially be a barrier to trade um

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but that's and so we'll as we go along we'll we'll layer in

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more of those now around you know particular commodities be it

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um you know cocoa palm oil um coffee

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timber are kind of big ones but we'll we'll look the same process we'll

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just create a standard and then

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look to integrate that into the buying process but we're certainly coming from a coming from a

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lower base now compared to maybe some of our peers i get you and does that have a big effect on

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your kind of sustainability strategy you know like your partnerships and stuff like

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as a way of like like you kind of scope three emissions you know they're often

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the largest um drivers you know is

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that something you touch on in your strategy or is it kind of mainly and

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internal focus,

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you know?

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Yeah.

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So, so the strategy at the moment,

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so we, so I'll give you a buzzer today.

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the chapter reverse now say like sustainability for the last 10 years so

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sustainability kind of came along as like almost like a marketing tool like if you if you were

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if you came to sustainability 10 years ago it was like it was run out of comms department or the marketing

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department and it was like putting this green halo on a business and

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get it onto your website yeah companies reclaiming this and that and you know and we

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know that now to be greenwashing yeah um and i suppose what's

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happening now more so is that

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That sort of phase or that era is passing.

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Sustainability is now regulated.

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So there's regulations at the EU level to do with the claims you make,

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that you are operating your business more sustainably,

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that how you source products

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and how you move it around,

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and particularly product coming from outside the EU,

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that's all regulated now.

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So the strategy then is,

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I suppose,

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the essence of a good strategy now is like for previously you could make any claims now it's like

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a a good strategy will be offering something that's of value to the

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customer because essentially you're a business trying to make money and you're trying to get a value

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add based off sustainability because there are cohorts of customers

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that do value sustainability and and will now they won't pay a little bit more for it we

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know that now but it's part of like the

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almost just the base expectations of what a product should be like you know no one wants to be buying

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a product that has you know forced labor associated with it so

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the key now is like so we're working on a strategy at the moment and it's it's trying

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to marry okay what's important for the customer because they want

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to know that they want to trust their products more they don't want to be they want to have a good conscience

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when they're buying a product or either making a choice of what product to buy

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And then separately for our B2B customers,

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they're kind of like businesses in their own right and they have their own sustainability requirements.

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So these things are reflected in our strategy.

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But I would say the key change I see now

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is like you never see the word sustainability in a strategy anymore.

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So for us now is like the big thing is trust.

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So that we trust are making our products

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more trusted, i .e.

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that if you pick up a stake in super value that you know it's.

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coming from a good supplier that the farmers

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have good animal welfare standards,

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it's board to be equality assured,

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that the farmers are farming it sustainably,

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that there's money going back to the local community.

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All those things now are proof points that we have to prove.

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Now, they're linked to ESG,

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but I don't think anyone,

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you won't see sustainability to...

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dimension two overtly anyway uh and definitely not scope three because like

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i think that that phase is almost past like you're probably learning about scope three in your in

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your lectures but like the vast majority of consumers having a

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breeze about what's having to know what scope three is about and

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you know the the

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the um ask of them that they eat less meat or that they reduce their emissions

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is you know it's a bit much for people you know so yeah what you've got it you've got to do now is

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sort of build it into the offer without them knowing and then kind of present it in a different way so now

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now you'll see lots about you'll see ads now you you might not

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know us them but like everything now is about irish so you might like to say so

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you hear on the radio now at the moment mns have a strawberries advert out and it's like this

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strawberry coming from

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quality strawberry tastes the best coming from a local farm these local farms

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are sustainable because it's not coming from peru or spain and you're

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you're implying sustainability that way so the skill now of a the

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sustainability team is to kind of integrate sustainability into the into the offering without calling

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on sustainability so i get you like so

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with some of the initiatives you've touched on like what are some of the

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um largest barriers with uh like integrating them into your operations

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or like providing them to the customer you know is it like maybe lack of funding

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a lack of um knowledge you know across the department or

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whatever i would say cost is probably the big one so like for

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example even if you want to do that like say our scope scope one is about one

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percent of our overall emissions if we take scope three into it so scope one is tiny

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yeah and so

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If you want to,

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so we're going to do it from a pure sustainability perspective.

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So we're going to put solar panels on the roof because it's the right thing to do because,

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you know, solar is better than fossil fuels.

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But like every solar project could cost hundreds of thousands

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of euro.

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And so you're in a business,

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you're like in a food sector and the margins are tiny.

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Like you're like if Musgrave makes 5 % margin in

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a year, that's good.

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Like, you know, it's not like pharma or.

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Pharma or tech,

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you know, where you're operating on 40,

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50, 60 % margins,

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you're literally printing money so you can do whatever.

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you want yeah so i think a lot of us depend so food

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is probably one of the more advanced ones when it comes to sustainability like you've got

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Like particularly in the UK and France,

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they've got real leaders in there and they're changing the way that they're sourcing their

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products.

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But in terms of like barriers,

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yeah, cost is one thing.

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There's no budget in sustainability anymore.

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Like you have to kind of integrate it into what everyone else is doing and

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carve out your bit.

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And I suppose make sure that the principles of the decisions they're making are

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taken into sustainability at the start.

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tag on as you go along you're not going to get your own separate budget for um i

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want to push i want to put a solar panel on every roof in the business i want

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um what could you say we want to we want to set up our own

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farm for all the beef in ireland and we want it to be farm sustainable like that's yeah

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that's that's not realistic but that's that's kind of if you're to just

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approach this from a theoretical standpoint and you want to get your scope three footprint down so our

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scope 3 footprint about 30 percent of it is meat and dairy yeah so the

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only way to get that down is either the people eat less meat and dairy so you sell less but or

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the meat and dairy that you buy is more sustainable but you're obviously at

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the end of the supply chain so we're relying on suppliers who are relying on the farmers so

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it's like your sort of position and change means you've only so much influence and really what you're trying

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to do is sort of

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work within that chain to influence the next person down so they're making the decisions

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that ultimately align with what you're trying to do okay so let's go

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okay so then like on the opposite end of that like what would be the biggest enabler of

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it like would it be like the kind of eu regulation with

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the csrd or like you know

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do you know what i i still say still i still think people want

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to do the right thing i i was that and like if it's coming from so

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like people i would say good leadership is probably the i think is the biggest enabler

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so if you have a strong leadership who values this um like i

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like you've known as a denier anymore like but someone running a

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business so say like a ceo or any of the leaders like sustainability

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now has gone back before it was just a marketing thing but now it's

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like okay show me the business case for this what value is it going to drive for the business

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so if there's a good leadership there that think it's important that that

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if they

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You know, make the right decisions,

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prioritize it for what it is.

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You know, it's not going to be that it's not going to never going to be too high on the agenda.

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There's a thousand things going on in any business at any one time and sustainability is only one of those.

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But if you can be good with good leadership and you're bringing

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them in and there's a decent business case there,

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you're either, you know,

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enhancing the reputation of the brand or there's some energy,

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energy reductions and some savings that way,

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then you can get traction.

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But again, it's it's.

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you have to be pretty consistent and a lot of times as you're kind of bringing them a menu we can do these

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five things it's going to cost a b c d e and they might pick

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one and you're like brand that's so i would say that's the biggest enabler i

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think probably secondly the other big enabler would be

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the skill of the sustainability team to make

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it relevant to other teams in the business so like so i

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like we're only a small team like we have a most great was a massive business you know five

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billion euro business but there's only like less than five people on the supply

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on the sustainability team so like really sustainability

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is everyone else's job because like the buyers buy the supply chain people run the

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supply chain the sales people

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shops are laid out you know so all those people we can influence them to make better decisions

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yeah so that that enables change rather than

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the sustainability person having this because previously had these big had

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these marketers their big magnetic personalities and we're all doing the right thing we want to save the world

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it's a big narrative whereas now it's like okay you're going back into

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just being a regular a regular team in the business and you got to work within those

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confines okay i get you so would you say that like a lot of your

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work um or even just most grave across the board is

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it like an internal motive or an external motive to drive these initiatives

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would it be like also like you can look at it from the perspective is

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it like mandatory or voluntary you know what i mean like are you getting

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external cases from like irish government eu regulation coming in oh yeah yeah

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a bit of both yeah so we are regulated so yeah for example

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now i was we're working on a thing at the moment called the european deforestation regulation and

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essentially means that

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You have to prove that products coming from outside of you is not associated with deforestation.

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So we have to do that.

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So we have to get a team

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together internally to figure out how to comply with what's been asked for in legislation.

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That has no value.

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No one's going to care.

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have it done make sure and don't source from anywhere that cuts down a tree pretty

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much yeah and that's a good thing we don't want trees cut down but like probably

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the the person buying furniture or the person buying uh

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their steak it's probably fairly down fairly low on the list of why

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they're buying that steak but then externally or so internally then um

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Yeah, we'll have our own targets.

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So one of the big targets for the business at the moment now is health.

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We're trying to improve the healthiness of the ranges that are being

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sold to people and trying to be...

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So you'll see a lot of the super value stuff now.

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They're partnering clean -cut meals.

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They're bringing out more healthy ranges like that.

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that's stuff that has a value because if we you know sell more of those clean cut meals

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that's that's good for the brand that's good for the business and that has

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a sustainability angle as well from a social side that people are healthier so like

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so it's a it's a mix you know so it's the kind of commercial the commercial versus the regulated

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okay it'll be and you have both you have both going on all the time

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Okay, I get you.

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Do you work off the CSRD or do

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you not meet that regulation?

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Yeah,

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we're in scope.

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We're in wave two.

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So as a result of the Omnibus now,

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we're not due to report until 2029 on 2028

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data.

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Yeah,

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that's going to be a major shift for the business.

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I would say just in terms of having to comply with it,

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it's a major change

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to how things are reported currently.

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And it's going to put a lot more rigor onto what

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we do from a sustainability standpoint.

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So it kind of stops greenwashing and allows means that companies

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can be compared to each other in sort of...

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you know in absolute terms um so yeah we are subject to what yes

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going to cause a lot of a lot of change uh in how we do how we how we do business

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or how we report at least um but i think probably will

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it change the business model i'm not so sure but again

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i think it's probably its intention was that um

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the intention that was it was going to kind of change business models and so and so on but i

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don't think that's going to be the case now it's probably going to just be seen as another thing to report but yeah

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i get you yeah and then um this might be this question is kind of

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more related to smaller companies but like if you're taking it might not be most great because obviously

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you're trying honest but like if you're taking advantage of any like um grants or green loans

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like do you love to use use any of that um so

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So we were obviously not small,

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but we would buy from small suppliers.

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And so I did a,

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last year now,

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before I moved, my role kind of changed more towards slightly.

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I had set up a Molesgrave supplier sustainability initiative.

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So this was helping those smaller companies improve

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on their capabilities in terms of sustainability.

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So part of that was making them...

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aware of things like green loans and things and um what's available to them from a sustainability

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perspective yeah i would say probably the big barriers for

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your smaller companies are resources probably resource and expertise is

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one so like you know you could have a company selling i don't know five

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five to ten million worth of chicken to us in a year and they might have to might have someone who does

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this on the corner you know

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you know a one day a month or two days a month you know it's tiny parts are

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the role there might be an environmental health they might be doing a thousand other things so again

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you're like if sustainability is done well and that's what the csrd set

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out to do before they kind of trimmed it down was that everyone in the chain was kind of

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drawn on each other for for information but again

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you know these companies are very small and like they're so challenged in terms of

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resource and

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how like sustainability's got really complex like it's like they're so regulated

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and there's so many different themes like it's not just carbon anymore there's carbon water biodiversity

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social everything so like it's you know it's not one

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person can't do that well so i think and

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i think probably the guidance we were going out with is that if you can find out and

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port b are the same now in the food sectors that you you're moving towards finding

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out what's material to your business and um

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just working on that and doing that well rather than trying to be everything

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to everyone you know and that's probably would have been the theme for the last 10 years you know you'd have had to set targets

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in every area whereas now it's probably it's refining

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a bit now and you kind of just focus on the areas that that you're impacted by

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the most I get you okay well so just looking

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ahead now before we finish like do you think there's any

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Any more effective strategies or policies that

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could aid Irish companies in implementing further

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sustainability strategies in the operations or anything?

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Any more support you would like?

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I see two things.

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I see probably

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one of the...

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Big difference I noticed between Ireland and versus the UK,

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which I would keep an eye on just because there are a lot of retailers in the

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UK. Collaboration is a lot better in the UK.

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I don't know why it is,

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but they'll get 50 companies in the room and hash

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things out and come up with a plan together.

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Whereas over here...

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you're nearly seen as luck going out over the ditch at someone if you're trying to get someone

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together or there's almost like a what motives have you got you know so working

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together is not as prevalent

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even though when you do get in these rooms together you can get a lot done you can get a lot of

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people on the same page and that's important for sustainability because

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it's the asks have got so detailed now and so

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complicated and there's probably

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a lot there's probably a lot to be gained from people who've been on the same page at least and and and working

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in the same way rather than one company doing this way and another company doing it that way

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so more collaboration more open collaboration is one so having the

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forums for that probably is so um i think it would be would

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be good like it's in pockets but it's not it's not we've kind of done it great at a country level um

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and i think probably

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Above that then is that kind of leadership pieces around someone to lead that.

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If Ireland wants to become more sustainable,

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it's a small island,

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it's not exactly massive.

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There could be a bit more leadership there,

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whether that's individuals or from a government level,

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I don't know, but certainly...

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You can get a lot done when there's good leadership.

26:47

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

Like, say, Board B are a very good example.

26:48

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

Like, they're excellent.

26:49

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

It's really strong leadership.

26:51

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

But I don't see that coming from maybe some of the other sectors.

26:54

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

Like, I don't see that in,

26:55

S… Speaker 1 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

like,

26:56

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

tourism would be a big customer of ours.

26:58

S… Speaker 2 (MicrosoftTeams-video (4))

I don't see the same level of leadership there.

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