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chris are you there chris

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you're

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on mute you're on mute sir i'm just

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grand finally we catch up when

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it works yes let me just try to turn up the volume here i'm

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just

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trying to uh put the audio a little higher um audio settings

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one input

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test speaker output

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okay

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How am I?

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Where am I?

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Sir, I'm Grant.

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I am in Europe,

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in Luxembourg right now.

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Wow.

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Okay,

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I hear your audio much better now.

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Right.

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Yeah,

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it's cold.

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It's quite cold here,

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but probably no less colder than in Boston when I was there.

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Yeah,

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we've been chilly here.

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But,

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you know, this is normal.

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Yeah,

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yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it was cold as a nut,

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as they say in Boston.

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And that's why part of the reason why I evacuated.

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I met a lot of people.

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By the way,

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thanks so much for taking the time.

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I'm sorry we never caught up in Boston,

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but that's fine.

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I understand you're in the middle of conducting some new medical

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test equipment or something.

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Yeah,

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I hope it's really simple.

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We're just trying to make a plastic gizmo that could save a few lives.

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It's actually

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too simple.

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Well, it's simple and it works.

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And I assume cheap plastic works,

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saves lives.

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Sounds good.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I wish you luck on that.

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Are you in touch at all with David Hendren?

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Because I understand he's sort of involved in venture capital for medical

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equipment.

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I mean,

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he's a whiz at it.

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Yeah.

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Because I don't know if you know,

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but well,

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three of my...

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Our family members are all surgeons.

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And actually,

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I'd studied to be in surgery,

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and I'd taken the MCATs and studied chemistry,

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embryology,

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physics, the usual background for all that.

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and worked in hospitals doing rotations for pancreatic

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and gallbladder surgery.

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But then at the end,

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I realized,

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I looked at my brothers.

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My sister's a surgeon.

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My oldest brother's a surgeon.

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Edwin, who went to Dexter,

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he's a surgeon.

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And they spent their lives in the hospital.

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And it's a tough life.

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And I thought I'd rather enjoy,

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see the world and travel than be stuck in a

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weekend call center in a hospital with sick people.

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But anyways,

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that's sort of...

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Yeah, I know.

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I was up at six when I was 20 doing rotations with

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one surgeon,

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making the rounds at seven.

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Then he was operating at eight.

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I was following all that,

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reading all the documents.

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It's a long slog,

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fascinating,

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academically challenging,

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interesting, fairly low paid for what they work

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as, given that they're in the weekend on call from Friday

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to Monday morning.

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I don't know how these guys do it with minimal sleep.

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But,

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yeah,

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fascinating experience,

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one that I chose not to do.

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But half my family,

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like David, has found

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that that's their role.

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You know,

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I share your outlook.

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I'm in the same boat.

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Yeah,

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leave that to the professionals.

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Chris,

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thanks so much for your time.

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There was a very good reason why I gave

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you a shout.

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I was interested to hear your feedback.

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Did you used to work on the Board of Trustees at Dexter?

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Is that correct?

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I was there for 10 years.

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10 years?

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Yeah.

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And which period roughly was that?

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Not roughly,

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exactly.

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Grant,

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that's really interesting because I've got a rather sad,

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tragic case to run by you.

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You know,

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there were a number of Burks who went to Dexter,

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four of us.

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Yeah,

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you know, Ed's a surgeon,

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as you know.

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He's been working in Iraq for the last

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two years as a surgical consultant for the

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U .S.

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Army and the State Department.

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He just left yesterday on his way back to San

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Diego, actually.

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I would have had him on the phone call,

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but he's in transit.

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So Damon,

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my older brother,

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he's an engineer.

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I've been working in investment banking as a mathematician for the past 20

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years in Europe.

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And our younger brother,

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coming to him,

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Richard, you know him.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He had sort of a mental breakdown in August,

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September.

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And so I dropped my plans and made an emergency trip to

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visit him in Miami.

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And he wasn't good.

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He was rambling about many items,

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most of which involved Dexter.

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So I

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couldn't make...

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Yes,

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it's going to get sadder,

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Chris. So anyways,

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he couldn't tell me himself for a lot of reasons.

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But he pointed me to a stack of documents,

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which I read through over the period of a week.

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Part of those documents were his psychotherapist notes.

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And in these notes are a rather graphic description

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how Richard was molested and raped at Dexter by

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Mr.

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Ferguson, who was a computer teacher

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at the lower school and had his office at the lower school.

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So I'm talking while Richard was in third grade from 1970 to 71 and just

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before that.

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So

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I read through these notes,

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was shocked and horrified.

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And for the first time in my life,

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I understood why Richard has had so many problems.

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I'm not sure how often you've liaised with him,

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but he's the only Burke who's been unemployed.

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The only Burke,

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you know, I'm talking for the last 25,

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30 years.

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He's the only Burke who's had problems,

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you know,

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very rebellious,

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obstreperous,

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and numerous,

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let's say,

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mental frailties,

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which no one could sort of account for.

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That all became clear to me after reading the psychotherapist notes about

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this rape by Ferguson.

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Now,

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two letters were sent out by Dexter in May and

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August of 2013.

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You must be aware of those as you were on the board.

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You're not aware of

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two letters that were sent out by Dexter in 2013?

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Well, I may get lots of letters,

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but what letters about this?

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Yeah,

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really.

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So this is a news for you.

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Let me get out the first letter.

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Since May

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21, 2013,

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we write today to inform you of some troubling news

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that a Dexter employee reportedly acted inappropriately

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toward a student,

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toward a student,

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more than 40 years ago.

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And to assure the community that in response,

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we will remain steadfast in our commitment to do our best today,

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better tomorrow.

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So,

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they sent a letter to the entire Dexter and Southfield family,

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enforcing health,

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welfare.

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They asked anyone to come forward.

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I'll send you the letters.

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They asked anyone to come forward.

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Okay.

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Yeah,

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I'm sorry.

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No,

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it's,

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well,

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yes, it is.

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I had some more just general questions.

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I mean,

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that was the first letter that came out in May.

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In August,

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they sent a letter out on August 6th that said the case is closed.

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Two people came forward.

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One was out of this jurisdiction because it doesn't specify,

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but I assumed it happened in Europe.

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And the second person didn't want to pursue

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it. So the entire case was scrubbed and dropped.

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Okay.

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Now, in the second letter,

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again, it says that these two letters were sent out to the entire

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the entire Dexter community.

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We were four Burks at Dexter.

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None of us ever got that communication.

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And our parents had that house,

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the same house.

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We've been there.

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Dexter must have that on the records.

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So none of us ever got that letter.

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Now, in part of my sort of talking with students,

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et cetera,

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it seems to me the case is that the only people they interviewed,

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18 people,

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were people from the class of 1972.

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Those are one of the two students,

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you must know the two students who reported this,

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right? You

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don't, okay.

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Yeah,

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I could tell you their names because I met with them,

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one of them just a week ago,

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his brother anyways,

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and I don't know whether I'm at liberty to mention any names or not,

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but I have a good rundown of all the facts.

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So with those two people,

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one that happened abroad because Mr.

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Ferguson chaperoned the family abroad to Europe.

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So that was out of the Brookline Police Department jurisdiction.

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So they couldn't prosecute it.

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And the second one chose to not pursue it because although he had been

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molested by Ferguson,

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he succeeded in escaping.

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So he got away.

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So he was never raped.

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And so he chose not to pursue it because he escaped.

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He didn't have any physical mental scars from that

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encounter.

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That took place on a Sunday at Dexter.

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Now,

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so that investigation seems to me that it only contacted people

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from those two classes,

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from the class of 1972.

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As I mentioned,

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no Burke ever got wind of this.

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And I only found this out now 50 years later because my brother had a

13:30

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meltdown again and pointed

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me to the pile of documents,

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which I read through.

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So I'm coming to you as a family friend to

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ask, you know,

13:41

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what do you know about this investigation,

13:42

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Mr.

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Ferguson, etc.?

13:44

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How was it handled?

13:45

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Was it a thorough investigation?

13:48

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What sort of went through the minds of Dexter and their lawyer Schwartz -Hannon when

13:52

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they were conducting this investigation?

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Really?

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Okay.

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I guess just from the research I've done,

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when you have a pedophile at an institution,

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regardless of where that is,

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a school, a Catholic church,

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wherever, highly unlikely that over a period of six years that just two

14:35

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students would have been molested.

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That statistical percentage is so highly,

14:42

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most probabilistic,

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not true.

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Ferguson worked there from 65 to 71.

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Only two students came forward because in my view,

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I could be wrong,

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but the only people who contacted were from the class of 1972.

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No other classes.

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Do you have any idea whether that's an accurate assessment from my point

15:04

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of view or not?

15:04

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Appropriate

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speculation.

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Okay.

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Because...

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I feel bad for you.

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Yeah.

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It's...

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I can't speculate.

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And

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if they did, then...

15:48

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Okay.

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I spoke to Todd.

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We had a meeting with my brother,

15:52

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Ed, who was at the time working in Iraq,

15:54

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so we had a Zoom call with Todd Vincent,

15:55

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who listened to the...

15:59

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to the case that we presented uh it was a short it was a short conversation 15 minutes

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and then he said you know what let's let's make a follow -up meeting for this i

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need you to talk about this with the board and and and see you know

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he can't make the decision alone was sort of the impression we got so uh true to

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his word his secretary set up a meeting a few weeks later

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So we were quite pleased at the prompt and

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pleasant response by Todd.

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The meeting was set for December 4th,

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Friday evening.

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He called, he sent an email and canceled it and

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said, speak to the lawyers.

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I

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haven't done that yet because first I wanted to

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do a fact finding to see what really went on during this.

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So I spoke and met with a number of Dexter students and faculty when

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I was in Boston.

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That was the only trip.

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point of my trip there to Boston.

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Otherwise, I'm quite busy in Europe,

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as you might have guessed.

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And I've come to the conclusion that

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based on my conversations,

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a lot of people never got those letters.

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I surveyed 14 people.

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Seven of them never got the letters,

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including us, four Berks.

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Seven did.

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Three of those people were actually teachers or their parents taught at Dexter or

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who were in the same class.

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So, I'm putting all the facts together.

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I'm not speculating because speculating would be drawing inferences

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from a small statistical sample,

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so I don't consider this speculation at all.

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I consider it a reasonably educated approach to

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looking at the facts and observations as I see them,

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without extrapolating too much,

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but making some general inferences.

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I want to make sure I didn't insult you.

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I didn't mean the word speculation.

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Yeah, yeah,

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no, it works, yeah.

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It sounds very much...

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Yeah,

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so...

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Yeah,

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are you aware that Ferguson was fired in 71?

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I didn't know the year,

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but...

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Okay, but you might know the difference between terminated

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and fired?

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What

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would be the difference?

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Okay,

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okay.

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So it seems,

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anyways,

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from my research that he was terminated,

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that is, he was removed from his role.

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But he was still there.

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He was still there with his office in the lower school,

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in the computer center in the lower school,

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until June of 1971.

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That was the peak of Richard's assaults.

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So Mr.

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Ferguson was registered as a pedophile in 1985 in the state of Massachusetts for

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assaulting his own stepchildren.

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In 2000,

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he was put in jail for child pornography.

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He has a history of

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pedophilia.

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So, at the time these two students reported this abuse,

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my brother was still in school at the lower school and Ferguson was wandering loose,

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still on the premises.

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Were you aware of that,

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maybe? In

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1971,

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their parents

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of these two students came forward to Mr.

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Finney.

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Ferguson was terminated.

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That's why I don't use the word fiery because I did essentially fire it

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but terminated as he was removed from his role teaching.

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He was a jack of all traits.

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He was teaching math.

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He was in computer labs.

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He was fixing furnaces.

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He was doing a number of things like many teachers back...

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Back then did at that point in time.

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So he was removed from his role as a teacher.

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However, he was still present on campus and still living there and still going to his

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office and the lower school.

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This is what I can conclude from the

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information.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And June,

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technically, according to Dexter's own documentation,

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he resigned.

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Yes.

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Let's put a...

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put a comforter on that on that word fire it sounds so ugly um

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so that's the history of ferguson uh registered

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pedophile for assaulting his own stepchildren uh two parents

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accosted mr finney for having for having you

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know their children um but anything before

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because that's all later so it forms the trend

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Well, this is my whole point,

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Chris. Chris,

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this is my whole point.

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One,

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my younger brother,

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yes.

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And two,

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the main point is this.

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Dexter did not send those letters out and my educated

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guess to the entire Dexter community.

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They sent out to a small population sample of the 1972

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class.

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Therefore,

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therefore.

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Anyone who wanted to come forward probably did not

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have the ability to come forward because they were unaware about.

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We were only made aware of this through

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a communication email through a friend of the family who received this,

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who told us about Ferguson's background and had the two letters in there.

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When my brother read that letter,

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that email,

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he had a meltdown and went into the hospital.

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And that was just one of his first meltdowns.

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That was in 2021,

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late 2020,

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early 2021.

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So we never got those letters or saw made available to

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them until 2020,

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2021.

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That is Richard,

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when he read them.

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I only saw them four months

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ago when I went to visit him.

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Because obviously,

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as I mentioned, we never got those letters either.

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Four of us.

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And my mother and brother...

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We're still living at our house with Dexter,

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must have had on the records for the last 60 years.

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So there's no excuse.

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But as I mentioned,

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I contacted four people,

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14 people.

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I contacted many more than that during my time

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in Boston, but I specifically asked 14 people if

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they got those letters.

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As I mentioned,

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seven said no,

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including us four Berks.

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Yeah.

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Now, as I mentioned,

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seven of those people,

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one was Charlie Hadock,

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okay, he said he got it.

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Three others were students.

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Glenn Darumple,

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he got them,

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Russ Darumple.

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So the Darumples all got them because obviously their father was there and they were both witnesses

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who presented evidence during that investigation.

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So George Carroll also got a letter,

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but also he was a teacher there.

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So all these people who got them,

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they either had something to do,

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