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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Hello.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Hi mate,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
how you doing?
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Alright.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah, doing well.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Good. Good stuff.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I've met you once before actually.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I've got a cat here.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Oh, I've got one buzzing about somewhere as well.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
How you doing?
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I was at Alanis Morissette last night,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
so it was a bit...
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Right.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
A bit of a wild one.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Were you playing or just watching?
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
No,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
just watching.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Yeah,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
it was good.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I enjoyed it.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Good, good.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Tell us about this Bowie thing,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
mate, because,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
it's a massive thing at Loch Lomond and playing with,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
like, Errol Slick and I think Duff's going to be there from Guns N' Roses.
0:45
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
What does it mean to you?
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I read about your dad being a big fan and,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
that was kind of your way into it as a kid.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Tell us a bit about that.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Aye,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
so, well, their
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
school was just listening to loads of records.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
They loved his music.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
So,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
that's his favourite.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I mean, but his other kids will listen to the Spice Girls or whatever.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
So anyway,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
a
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few times as a cover,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
just various times over the years,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Tony
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Visconti,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
the man who produced it,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
he basically said,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
look...
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Ah,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
okay, no, that's fair enough.
2:06
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah, no worries.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
No worries.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
So basically,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
the idea is...
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Wow.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Sounds great.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
So it's probably going to be...
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
unbelievable really do you know what I mean it's kind of what every musician wants respect
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
for other musicians rather than people on TikTok having an opinion do you know what
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I mean no I totally agree I mean what about what's your kind of favourite
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
period of Bowie like going back to when you were a kid what stood out for you
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
yeah the
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
quality's
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
always there isn't it there's always there's always something you can kind of even
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
on the records people don't write critically there's always good stuff there do you know what I mean yeah
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
okay but
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I'm not saying it's his best record,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
it's just,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
that was when I first got into Bully.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
My dad played me for the start rather than later on in his career,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
do you know what I mean?
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Aye, yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Nerv,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
it's a good choice.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Tell us about,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you're playing The Castle as well.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
The middle's name's David.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Oh,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
really? Named after David Bowie,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
by the way.
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I mean,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know, it's interesting because I grew up in primary school.
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I had an uncle really into it.
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So it seems in Edinburgh that,
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I mean,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I know this from a lot of people,
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but Bowie really spoke to people in Scotland and in Edinburgh in particular.
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You know, there's just something about his music that connected,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know, but it's always been there.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
It's never really not been there.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I say
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this because it's not the way I see it at all,
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but there's so many similarities in his life to
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mine, even places he's lived.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Like I went to Berlin,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I used to drink in De Schoengel,
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which was the bar him and I used to get high in and
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take drugs and all the rest of it.
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And I basically lived that life.
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You know,
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he lived in a basement bar in Edinburgh.
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I lived in a basement bar,
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a basement flat.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I did the same.
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And then I moved to London.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Obviously,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
he's from London.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
And even the way he is,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
he was also slightly autistic.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
And I'm definitely slightly autistic.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Do you know what I mean?
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
There's a lot of neurodiversion.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Anything creative,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I jump all over.
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Anything weird and wonderful,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
he was into it.
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Do you know what I mean?
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And if you came into my house right now,
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I mean, I've got five cats.
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I've got like...
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Just art everywhere.
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Right now I'm in my bedroom,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
which isn't finished yet.
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But if you walked in,
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you'd be like, what the fuck is going on here?
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Do you know what I mean?
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And it's just the same things that make him tick
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make me tick.
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And it's kind of, I just feel like it was weirdly aligned.
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And then David Bowie,
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
his manager, not the guy that managed him for years,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
he was too old now,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
but the lassie kind of took over.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
from him last ago tracy nurse oh yeah she's always been really
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in touch with us oh brilliant she flew over from the
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states for my gig at kelvin grove that's amazing and then
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and she was always saying she was like you remind me of from like the way
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah,
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fantastic.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
A weirdo.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
That is brilliant.
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And I was going to ask you about Bruce Springsteen as well,
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because she works with Bruce.
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And I was thinking of Salamander Street,
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and I thought to myself,
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you know, that is almost similar creative style to Bruce Springsteen,
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because he would take a character from his life,
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maybe dress it up a bit,
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but you can almost recognise a character for your own life.
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Do you know what I mean?
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Tell us about that.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Was Bruce an influence on that style?
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
yeah tell us about that ah without a doubt yeah to be
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honest even the new record springsteen
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
wants their big guitar sprangs the octave pianos at
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the intro it's like i just love that
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and but also
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
he's got songs that are lyrically really in depth like sort of or
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
story driven like salamander street i've got songs like it always rains in glasgow
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
i mean springsteen could have wrote that as well if it was new jersey or whatever do you know what i mean yeah
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
so
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I guess there is.
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I don't think it's intentional.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I think it's just what I listened to as a kid and what grabbed
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me, really.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
You know what I mean?
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And that's why I started writing,
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really. I just, I loved that sort of depth,
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you know.
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I remember I was with a record label for a number of years and they were like,
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I hated it.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Expression.
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You know,
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they would be chasing rhythms and you need
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to be singing ballads and all that.
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I'm like, what's on here?
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And then it was,
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you know, George Ezra.
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Oh, you need a song?
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I always remember what Baby said is like,
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you know, it was something like,
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and
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then you're, that's where you're playing the right spot.
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Yeah,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
yeah.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I mean, fucking eight days listening to the records,
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they give the same record every year because it sells.
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They're making a lot of nonsense,
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
really.
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I hear that for a lot of people in Scotland and Ireland where they're
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saying to me, do you know what,
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the industry wanted me to do this,
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it wasn't a good fit for me,
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so they're going more independent and that's the way they're having to do it because the
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industry's just not a good fit for people anymore,
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especially, I think,
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Celts, people from Scotland and Ireland who don't want to fit into a sort
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of system or a mould,
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do you know what I mean?
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But also,
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it makes your life different.
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Imagine somebody...
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and saying, listen,
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right,
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but see,
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there's some flowers in it.
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I think, like,
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probably,
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I like it if it turns out to purple.
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Yeah.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
No wonder he'd cut his ear off.
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Yeah.
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He'd be the cut of two of them off.
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who was in the music business nowadays.
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Exactly,
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exactly.
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Now, I wanted to ask you,
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you're playing Edinburgh Castle,
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you're playing the Hydro.
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I mean,
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these are two massive gigs.
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Tell us about that.
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I mean, you're from Musselboro,
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so what does it mean to you to play Edinburgh Castle?
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
It's a massive gig.
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Because when I wrote songs like Salabander
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Street, Easter Road,
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all these sort of home songs,
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I always envisaged a huge
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venue, you know,
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and people singing it back to you.
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So I'm 36 now,
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you know, I've been...
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doing this for 20 years,
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I guess, since I started writing songs when I was 14.
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So 22 years.
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I mean,
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seven nights
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a week around all the bars in the Royal Mile,
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Easter Road,
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you name it,
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sometimes two gigs a day.
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I used to wait on fans coming out after seeing The Who or Paul
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Weller or The Gallaghers,
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whatever. I would be handing out all my demos to them and
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try to build a fan base and all that.
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Kind of just blind belief.
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I guess just...
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I spoke to him in a bar and he was telling me all about this when he was pissed,
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you know, what he was going to do and now he's actually doing it.
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And so it's,
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and the best thing about it is as well,
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is that musicians find people
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that music, you know,
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that we're either going to go and deserve to
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be in a band that,
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I've got music integrity as well and they're only
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just selling themselves out to,
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you know,
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go on stage singing songs that they know are absolutely dog shit,
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TikTok singers and stuff.
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Yeah.
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it's kind of like we did it,
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you know? Yeah.
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But it doesn't feel like we did it,
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that's it.
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It's more like,
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right, well, as an independent artist,
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obviously, it's a bit harder to get yourself on big stages and stuff like that in
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front of people who don't know you.
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It's a mission
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that I'm willing to take on,
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and I'm really looking forward to seeing how far we can take it,
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you know? And I think being part of the Bowie band for a few things
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is certainly going to...
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really helped that and I'm really lucky because they're the sort
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of opportunities that get handed to your pop stars that are signed with Universal,
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do you know what I mean?
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Who probably never heard it,
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baby. It's true.
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S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
It's good to hear.
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It's good to hear.
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And also you're doing the Hydro as well.
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I mean, another massive gig.
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Tell us about that because you've got a big follow -in in Glasgow as well.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Aye,
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so I've got a few.
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S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I was going to get an out.
14:28
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
We played it last year so we sold that out which we were
14:34
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
on the stage to
14:35
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
i was actually just thinking like it was like an out -of -body experience i was like thinking how
14:39
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
do these people know who the are do you know what i mean it was just weird
14:44
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
but wonderful like the most special night of my life these
14:48
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
people
14:53
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
love you yeah
14:57
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know but you felt it
15:00
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
It was a really,
15:01
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
really beautiful thing,
15:01
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
man. Yeah.
15:02
S… Speaker 5 (260701_0493)
So,
15:05
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
more of that,
15:06
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
which I think is probably the biggest,
15:10
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
best festival in Scotland.
15:12
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
15:12
S… Speaker 5 (260701_0493)
Well,
15:15
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I'm
15:21
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
glad to go.
15:21
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So that's good.
15:22
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
15:23
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Palace were the singer of the Reverend
15:28
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
and the Makers.
15:28
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
Oh, yeah.
15:29
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Another thing,
15:30
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
like, I remember seeing them for the first time,
15:34
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
they were supporting Oasis,
15:35
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
mate. Yeah.
15:36
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
At Murrayfield.
15:37
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
15:37
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I must have been about 16.
15:39
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
15:40
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
15, 16.
15:41
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I remember going around and they had a big hit,
15:45
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
heavyweight champion of the world,
15:46
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
and I was like, they're fucking brilliant,
15:47
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
you know? Yeah.
15:48
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Now,
15:50
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you told that wee guy in Roud,
15:52
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
well, they're going to be your support act at Edinburgh Castle in 16 years,
15:56
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
up on the acid or something,
15:59
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know?
16:03
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
That's brilliant.
16:04
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
That's a great story.
16:05
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
So,
16:07
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
I mean, I wanted to ask you,
16:08
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
like, obviously,
16:09
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
headlining the castle,
16:10
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
how do you look back and how did sort of growing up in Musselboro shape
16:14
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
you? How did your early life shape you as a songwriter?
16:17
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
Because I'd imagine there's a lot of,
16:19
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
when it comes to writing a song,
16:20
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
thinking about the characters that mean something to you in life,
16:24
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
whether it's Salamander Street or Easter Road,
16:26
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
as you said.
16:27
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I mean,
18:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
because life
18:49
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
is the day, do you know what I mean?
18:50
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
You've got to live a bit in terms of being a songwriter,
18:53
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
yeah. Definitely,
18:55
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
man.
18:56
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I think that's
19:00
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
really at the root of everything.
19:02
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
And it is for many creatives.
19:05
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
19:05
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
What about Easter Road?
19:07
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
Tell me about how that one came about.
19:08
S… Speaker 7 (260701_0493)
What inspired it?
19:10
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Did you
19:21
S… Speaker 6 (260701_0493)
hear me say that?
20:16
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
through things it just inspired the song and there
20:20
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
was always fucking police cars outside you know like i played in one bar just
20:25
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
at the bottom east third road the police come into the bar they
20:29
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
won't need to close it down all right what's happened well the wee chinese
20:33
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
takeaway man next door fucking lovely old guy he's
20:39
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
just been murdered outside you know and so the next thing you know
20:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
it's like
20:44
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
What the fuck is this?
20:45
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So,
20:46
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
there's a lot of stories to be written and told,
20:49
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
and as devastating as all these things
20:53
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
are, I've managed to just find a beauty in it,
20:56
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
and that's why I say at the end,
20:58
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know, lights overhead,
21:02
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
what's it?
21:02
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Lights overhead,
21:03
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
take me home,
21:04
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
coming back to Easter Road,
21:06
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
in the end, and after all,
21:07
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I only want to see those lights.
21:08
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
And it's just trying to hold a lantern up for it all.
21:12
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So I had in the back of my head that this...
21:15
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
could be the next Sunshine on Leaf,
21:17
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
but it failed miraculously.
21:18
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So there you go.
21:19
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Well, no,
21:20
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
it certainly does its own thing.
21:22
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
I wanted to ask you about the album covers,
21:24
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Callum, because,
21:24
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
you know,
21:25
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
obviously being a Bowie fan,
21:26
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
album covers are really important,
21:28
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Bruce Springsteen.
21:29
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Like, your album covers,
21:31
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
the last two records are a kind of cohesiveness.
21:33
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Tell us about that,
21:34
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
because it's that,
21:35
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
now that I'm talking to you,
21:36
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
it's that a version of you on the cover,
21:38
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
if you like,
21:39
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
being a kid.
21:40
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Aye,
21:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
so.
21:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So
22:09
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
the pricey one.
22:10
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
My sound.
22:58
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
The problem was...
23:00
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I'd written a lot of songs like the sort of pop stuff,
23:04
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
and the label were basically like,
23:07
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
well, if you don't put this song on your album,
23:08
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
your album's no gonna.
23:10
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I was like,
23:12
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Jesus Christ.
23:13
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So what I did was,
23:15
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
my manager Dave was just like,
23:17
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
what we're gonna do is we're gonna go into the studio.
23:18
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
He says, we will get dropped for this.
23:20
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
He says, but it's the best thing that ever happened to us.
23:22
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
We're gonna go in and try and record a punk album.
23:25
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
So like,
23:27
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
early phonics,
23:28
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you know,
23:29
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
like.
23:30
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Nay, there's,
23:31
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I think I could,
23:33
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I think if you listen to that album,
23:35
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
there's two synth pads in it.
23:37
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Like, that's it.
23:38
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
The rest of it is just fucking rock and roll.
23:41
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Drums,
23:42
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
bass, guitar,
23:42
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
drums,
23:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
backing vocals,
23:44
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Azuz,
23:45
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
that's it.
23:46
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
And so anyway,
23:48
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
we gave it to them.
23:49
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
And obviously I was like,
23:51
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
there was songs like Warrior and stuff.
23:52
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
It was just impossible to try and make sound like an indie record.
23:55
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah,
23:56
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
a punk record, whatever.
24:03
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
livid money because they obviously paid for it i was
24:10
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
the monkeys
24:34
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
yeah yeah and vandalizing
24:39
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
my music yeah and i gave them the vickies as a
24:43
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
part of the gift brilliant so there is a concept they didn't
24:47
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
even know that but that's i can say it now because that
24:51
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
was
25:16
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
How does it work now in terms of away from the industry?
25:19
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
How do you put the album together?
25:21
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
Do you just do it all independently?
27:00
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
How does it work in terms of...
27:02
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
Absolutely,
27:03
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
mate.
27:03
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
No, I wanted to ask you how it works in terms of the songwriting,
27:06
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
right? Because I wonder what it was like,
27:09
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
say before,
27:09
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
when you were playing,
27:11
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
like, bars and stuff,
27:12
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
when you went to write,
27:13
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
would you write,
27:14
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
like, through, say,
27:16
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
a song like Easter Road or Salamander Street or whatever,
27:19
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
would it come from inspiration or would it come from hard work,
27:22
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
just trying different things,
27:24
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
or is it different for every song?
27:25
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
How does that work?
27:26
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Do you know what?
27:28
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
You
27:58
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
know, things again,
28:00
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
it's like, no, no, no.
28:01
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
What can we use as that to describe,
28:04
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
to tell a story about something else?
28:06
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
And that's kind of the angle I go in it.
28:08
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
But it's always coming down like a fucking,
28:11
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
what do you call it?
28:13
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
You know these mediums?
28:14
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Yeah.
28:15
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I've got somebody coming through here.
28:16
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
Kind of like that.
28:17
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
You're just fucking,
28:18
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
your brain's just rattling up until you're going.
28:21
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
And with Salamander Street,
28:23
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
sorry, I'm thirsty.
28:24
S… Speaker 4 (260701_0493)
That's all right.
28:25
S… Speaker 2 (260701_0493)
Go for it.
28:26
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
With Salamander Street,
28:29
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
trying too much last night but Salander Street I
28:33
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
just remember being in Arund all that and gone
28:38
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
this is a great idea for a song and
28:43
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
I basically I'm not joking like the best ideas just
28:47
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
come for landing your lap right and they're written in 10 minutes and I'm not joking
28:51
S… Speaker 1 (260701_0493)
you can probably tell by the lyrics I wrote it in 10 minutes I
28:55
S… Speaker 3 (260701_0493)
don't know it works that's the best way it's amazing it's

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