177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961
Apr 30, 2026 19:55
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
Sorry, it's so cold in here. It's either extremely hot or extremely cold. I'm just going to talk to you for a second. I know, I know. I think we turned it off, so it should be okay. These provide a little bit of heat. All right, so I know you've been here for a while. We're just still trying to get stuff pieced together. A question that I have for you. You have your cell phone on you, right? I do. Okay, so would you have any issue with us looking at your cell phone consensually?
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
we're looking so to be honest we're looking to see if you received any calls during that time any text messages during that time anything like that and i'm going to be completely like clear with you the reason we're looking for that is just in case you were distracted by your cell phone um would you have any issue with us looking at that no okay well would we be able to look at it right now cool i'll make it with you what's up
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Speaker 2 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
Yeah, where is your coat? It's in the car. Oh, would you mind grabbing that? Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you had a coat with you. I was going to go get you a blanket if we had one. Yes. You should have found the food container closed. Okay. Right. Right. Okay. No worries. No worries. I appreciate your honesty with that. Real quick question. So while I'm looking at it, sometimes phones lock up. Do you have an issue with me knowing your password in case I do have to unlock it again?
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Speaker 2 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
111053 okay and what carrier is your oh you're fine your your carrier what carrier is it att and your phone number 1750 all right i'm not looking for anything crazy on here i'm just gonna i'm gonna look at your texts okay perfect thank you so it looks like during the time of the crash was approximately 1310 is that right
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
so you had a text well before that 10 46 a.m right yeah from sofia okay and then so after that i'm gonna look in i'm gonna look in this rainer who is rainer okay so i'm gonna look at that um just looking at the times it looks like for that one because your last time on that was 248 p.m so 1448 and 248 uh looks like it was yeah from him okay i'll do that
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
No, that's what I'm saying. And this is well after the crash. Yeah. No, I'm just, I'm saying this for my own record. Yeah. And that was, yeah, 930 AM, 935 AM. So well before, well after. Oh, your car. Okay. Your car isn't here. No, no. It's at a, it's at a tow lock. I think Cloverdale tow. So obviously not there well before and well after on Rainier or Rainier. And then the only other one, I'm going to look at Lois. Okay.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
And well before was 842 AM. Looks like well after was 420. So 1620. So well before and well after the crash. You didn't receive any phone calls during that time? No, I don't think I talked to anybody. Yeah, I went to your phone calls. Okay, I'm not a cell or a... Oh, perfect. I'm not an iPhone user. That's when I called my wife. Okay, right after the crash. Yeah, the lady.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
Okay, Sally Ann at 1.18 or 13.18 hours. Yeah, that's it. And then, I have no reason to believe, are you using social media or anything like that? Did you have your phone in your hand during the time? Nothing like that. Okay, was your phone connected to the car? It wasn't because I remember. Okay, gotcha. And you don't watch videos and stuff like that while you drive?
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
Okay, all right. Do you use maps? Do you use maps? I mean, you're going home. You probably weren't. Yeah, I do use maps, but I... But there would be no reason you'd use it on this trip because you're going home, right? You'd only use it if you wanted to know when you were going to get there. Right, right. There's no traffic. Yeah, okay. Yeah, it looks like your most recent one was going to 1601 Larkin Street in the city, right? Okay. Well, I do appreciate that.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
I'm not seeing anything that would be indicative of you using your cell phone while you were driving. So I'm going to give you some information, okay? The reason this has turned into such a big deal is because the party on the bicycle did pass away, okay? And there's no easy way to state that, okay? Now I will give you this. He was 94 years old, okay? So he's lived a very, very long life. Probably not the way that he was hoping, but...
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
Like I said, I wish there was an easier way for me to tell you that, but there's no point in me trying to sugarcoat something like that. Obviously, I like to be as transparent as possible, but another reason I'm telling you that is just so you're aware of the reason that this has taken so long. It didn't happen on scene. He passed away at the hospital.
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Speaker 2 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
But he was, you know, he was older. And hopefully he did pass away doing something that he loves to do. Because most people don't ride bikes if they don't like doing it. But yeah, hopefully that kind of makes sense of why this has been such a long process. Because we've been trying to...
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Speaker 2 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
do things from our side and also to help you, right? To rule out anything on the back end of any type of impairment, right, with all the tests you've done. This, your consent of us going through your phone is huge, okay? So we always have to do certain things and follow certain steps and protocols, even though it might not be fun.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
especially if it's cold in here for you and you're sitting here for a while but that's the reason okay so um i mean with that information in mind again with everything that you've told us is the truth right on your side and re specifically in regard to not remembering the the the collision at all i couldn't tell you whether zero recollection okay sure right
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
So we're basically at the end of this. There's a little bit of paperwork. Number one, since you gave me consent to look through your phone, I have to have you sign a document real quick. It's a consent search form. That's it.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
The only other thing, we'll have to have you sign one other piece of paper. We'll explain that in a second. I'm also going to be transparent with one other thing. So in the county of Sonoma, whenever there's a fatal traffic crash, it's investigated as a manslaughter, okay? So don't let that scare you too much, okay? Are you kidding me? Now, I know, and this is why I'm explaining it to you. We have to put that on the s***. Does that mean that...
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
you're going to be found guilty of manslaughter? No, that's not what that means. What that means is it's what we put on there for the district attorney's office as a recommendation and they make the final say. With something like this, with as cooperative as you've been and all the other information that we've gathered, I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm not saying it will, but don't stress out too much about that because that's just how this county operates. That's it. But I want to be...
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
I don't want something to be a surprise to you. That's why I'm telling you. I could have left you in the dark over this and everything else. You have been extremely cooperative, beyond cooperative, and that goes a very long way, okay? The reason I'm telling you that is just because when you get documentation and notification or whatever and you see that, it's not a surprise. That's something that this county requires on our reports, okay? So.
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Speaker 1 (177561_BWC49360-2025-0177720961)
I know. I know. Give me just a couple minutes. I've got to grab that form. Take some time, obviously. When I come back, if there's any questions whatsoever you have for me, we'll talk. Give me one second, John. If you wouldn't mind, just leave your phone right here. I just have one other thing to do so we can sign that document. I need you to sign it before I give you the phone back.
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