23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert

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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
We are now here.
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We are live with Madeleine Giver.
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Thank you for bearing with us,
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folks, and staying with us because you knew this was going to be good,
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right? I told you it's going to be good.
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It's going to be electric.
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She's not doing it by mime.
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We can hear her.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Let's get into things.
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So, Madeleine,
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last time you were here,
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you were my inaugural guest in January.
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Yeah, yeah.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
six months where did the year go you tell me please where did
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the year go well in the first three months i was still doing the
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last end of a transformation program and now i am
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helping video stand up a consulting firm which is very exciting
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still procurement still supply chain but um working with
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with a team to build something
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
even better and bigger wow a lot has changed so i did
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
know a little bit of that myself but the viewers here won't really know
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much about that so tell us tell us about how have you transitioned out of
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
being the head of procurement into this new role what was involved there well as
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know i'm i'm not a steady state business leader i don't do steady
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state i i normally come in and build a transformation
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
team either do a technical transformation or a
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or just a cost transformation.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And so when I started with BDO,
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one of my tasks was build the procurement team.
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Well, the procurement team process,
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you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
it's a large business.
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A lot of people don't know BDO,
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but we are the fifth largest auditing and accounting firm globally.
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And everybody just talked about the big four.
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Number five,
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we're big enough.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
We now have a global procurement starting to set up.
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We've got all the building blocks in place.
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But, you know, after three years,
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once you've built a team,
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you've built the process,
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you've built this,
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I go,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
ah, now it's starting to feel like steady state.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You know,
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I leave that to a very capable team.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And you know this,
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Rachel,
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but before I did people like GSK or BDO or
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those projects,
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I worked for Accenture and in consulting.
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And so...
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
why not go and build a consulting firm i love this so in terms of leaving the procurement
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behind was that a we haven't had this conversation did you have a
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
successor in place or did you have to go hire somebody or how did you manage that
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you know me succession comes over a period of growth so
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hired a fantastic guy in the first year unfortunately his wife
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got promoted and he had to go live in bahamas
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And then we hired Zahid and he's now the head of procurement in
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the UK and he will be leading some of the global conversations.
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But I haven't left procurement behind.
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I mean, never in a million years.
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I love working with the folk in the supply chain because,
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you know,
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for me,
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procurement is almost at the forefront of decisions.
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We are proactive,
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not reactive,
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if you do it right.
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And so that will be part of the consulting business and part of
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solutions and really thinking out.
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the new new procurement what what's up next and that's
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why what makes it exciting i can see it in your face and i can just imagine i
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
can just imagine and it's funny i remember now about that guy going to the bahamas
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because that was quite interesting for you right so he was your number two you'd been working with
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him and then suddenly he's off to the bahamas with his wife the most critical
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
part of the three -year journey but that is all about resilience because you
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you know
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life happens and i was very glad he this was an opportunity
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they couldn't say no to and great success matthew was a great
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success where he's in the bahamas now and he's doing really well but i hired
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him in and you know took him on a journey and he's doing really well as well now you
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know he's gonna he's gonna take the team to the next level i love that and
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
then for people who maybe don't know you as well as i do
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tell us about
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that resilience because did you always have this resilience do we all
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i think you know what no i didn't i was
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very much set in my ways anybody has that have done the inside
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profile will know that we all have certain colors
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and we all have certain strengths in our lives and i i would say
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my early 20s i was a typical accountant a chartered accountant
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that knows everything blue blue or chart blue
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facts and figures and data and and not as much maybe
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um people orientated
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not as risk -taking as what i am now and definitely not as resilient as i
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am now but then there's a this beautiful thing happened i got mentorships
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and i have people invest their time and effort in me and and showed me
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that you know by growing and developing you can become a much richer
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individual by growing other things that you might not have thought is
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uh necessary in your thinking wheel and so yeah i had to build
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resilience um i've also had
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Like everyone,
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we all have things that happen in our life.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You now know that I've survived cancer twice now.
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10th of July will be one year clean.
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So for me,
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those personal things have given me resilience.
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But also in my career,
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I have the very lucky opportunity.
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And I am a lucky person.
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And I've had very lucky opportunities to
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work with great individuals that could give me growth.
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And that growth has built resilience.
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And procurement is a fantastic environment to grow.
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It really is.
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It really is.
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And it's interesting,
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as you say,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
about the colours.
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So tell us in the chat if you know what colours you are and you know what we're talking about when we talk about
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colour insights.
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Because I always find these tools interesting that it doesn't mean that's
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what you are forever.
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It's like they're your preferences.
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And if you do do the work on yourself,
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like you just described,
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then you change and you...
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Ultimately,
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you want to be able to access all of the colours and use the colours to your advantage rather than
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pigeonholing yourself going,
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well, I'm just a blue so I can't do it.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Well, you can actually,
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if you choose to,
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you can step out and do the other things.
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i remember that when we did this did you do the colors with me as well yes
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we did we did it at gsk yes we did and i did mine
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three times now and i come out exactly the same over from
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2004 to 2019 however it
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shows that i've pushed the colors that i'm the weakest in in my
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behavior so i love people when they when they have these tools please
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don't use it as a pin as a box because
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When you know where you're weak at,
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you can focus on developing that.
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So I have zero yellow,
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which means I'm actually not normally,
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naturally,
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without focusing on it.
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The happy, happy,
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oh, how does it make you feel?
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No, I'm much more like Hitler and less like...
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like Mary Poppins,
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maybe more Nanny McPhee than Mary Poppins rather than Hitler.
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Although some of my early career would have described me exactly like
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that, and I have apologized to them.
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But the fact is we can choose how we,
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you know,
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show up in our work,
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in our career,
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in a meeting,
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and we can choose to be considerate.
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And that's what also builds resilience because,
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you know,
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only thing I've learned after 15 years of study
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is that I don't know everything.
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And that's okay.
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I don't have to know everything.
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I just need to know somebody that does.
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You're just spewing gold here.
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There's so much gold in everything you just said then.
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because we're not finished right we're not finished we don't know everything no human knows everything
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we only know what we know but the goal the real goal there was that but i know someone who does
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and i think for me and you taught me that about leaning into the we
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don't have to know it all we just need to be connected to enough people who do know all
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of the stuff to get done what we need to do rather than be the master trying to do everything
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and it's so freeing um but i love what you just said there
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as well about the
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you were the same on the colour insights you were the same every time you did it because I was really
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different and I don't think we've ever had this conversation but when I came back from maternity
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leave I did it and I was blue green and I was probably at my most being
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me at that moment because I'd had that 13 months off and I was
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living in my little bubble and that was me totally out of the corporate thing and I was blue
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green and it was I felt like it was wrong I was like well you're not gonna ever do
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anything around here because they only want people who are super red we like red and we like yellow
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We don't do blue.
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We don't really value blue.
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And even though blue is what you really need.
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I love that.
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Alex is mainly yellow,
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very little red.
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Yes,
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Alex, I can see you as a yellow.
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Yes.
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And yellow is lovely.
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And that's back to using everybody for what they've got,
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isn't it? So I'm hoping at this point that Harold's going to say he's the green -blue,
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which I have a feeling he could be the green -blue.
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Let's see what he says.
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I'm the darkest red you can imagine,
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says Harold.
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I don't see that in you,
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Harold.
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You hide it well.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Yeah, it's purple,
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by the way.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
which is equal parts blue and equal parts red however when
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when people meet me for the first time now most
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
people will say oh you you orange you yellow red and
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i'm like no i'm not i'm i'm purple i've always been purple i've always
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
been equally directive and and detailed but
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i push my yellow up and that's where empathy really comes
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
in if you've learned to really understand
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
put the needs of others at the center of whatever you do it's
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
almost like being a servant leader and understanding what a servant leader means
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also means that you take a little bit of humbleness goes a long way and that's
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
when you push your yellow up and that's when you can find a balance within
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that so even if those tests says you are red you can
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
decide to build strengths within your green or
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within the yellow because it's it is purely a gauge of where do you
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
need to focus your energy so that you can become more holistic in your
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
thinking it's so important isn't it because i think it's dangerous that people
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
start just boxing off that that's what you are so that's what you are i'm just looking in the chat
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because everybody's putting their colors in there i love it and like yeah let's lean
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
into them and leverage what we are but don't box ourselves off
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
uh i can't stand the box thing and i think madeleine you were the first
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
female leader that i had seen
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
demonstrate like really owning that and owning who you are and it's
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
sad to say really that I got to that age where I hadn't really seen that in women I felt
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
like I'd either seen complete biatches or
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
or bit doormatty and know like actually you you absolutely
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
owned everything and i felt like that was the first time i'd seen it and
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
then obviously from the way we work together and you're talking about it as you talk about the
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
bdo team just that always felt like you're like what who
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
are you what are you what do you want rather than you telling me what i was
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and what i should be and how you saw me you really encouraged the one what
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
do you want oh i don't know you have this one
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
unique experience for 80 years.
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Man, make it count.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I think that's the one thing.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Having had cancer very young in my life,
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almost as a teenager,
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and just told me,
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we're not going to survive.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And then, thank God.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
for whatever fairies made out chemotherapy that works.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Surviving that the first time taught me,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
we are here for 80 years.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Make sure that you have a fun,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
absolutely awesome life.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Life's going to throw you a lot of problems,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
but be the best you can be.
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But be yourself,
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be authentic.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Don't drive your career or even your
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
life about what other people think is good for you.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I really believe that in my heart.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i've seen so many managers and so many leaders come up and say well this is what the business
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
needs to do and these are the team that i've got and then we try to force
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
people down um a process even i think we spoke about this a week
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
or two ago about performance reviews you know this is my job this
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
is what i need to do instead of well this is the jobs
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that we need to get done who's the best in the team to get those jobs done and
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
by the way
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
check in with your team members whether this is what they really want to do i'd
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
rather find a person a different income stream and suggest
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
to them to do the work where they're going to be happy then to get them stuck into a
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
career i mean you i know i can maybe now say this but i think i
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
was the one that told you man you're a fish up a tree yes well you were and i as
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you saying that i was just having that flashback to you telling me to go off and do all
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
these certifications to be in a rebirth
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
like super user i was like oh my god and it was interesting
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because i'd never and i suppose i hadn't learned at
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that point how to say no to things and you obviously knew there's
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
no way that's what she's supposed to be and there was tests in there i'm sure at
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
many levels many tests you gave me and uh yeah i hadn't
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
learned that it was okay to be like you know what this is not what i actually want
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and I was figuring it out and it's took me the best part of five years to to
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
get to this point but the um Alex is saying in the chat I love that be the best you can
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
be be yourself right and it's so exhausting when you're
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
trying to be all things to all people yeah and not actually being true to
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
yourself and it's
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
it's terrifying and you were the first person to role model that so i'm curious because you've obviously
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you've had a way different experiences to me in life like you
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
didn't even come from this country and we've had those conversations which made me smile about
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
how you had to get your leave to remain in the uk i don't think a lot
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
of uk people could pass the test i i cannot do the uk
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
life test i i also had to get the twins through that test that was
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
a challenge but i mean
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Having worked in so many countries,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I mean, I've worked in Brazil,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I've worked in the USA,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I've worked in Israel,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I've worked in Europe.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I've actually worked in the UK before I came and made this my home.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I think we were doing color in the map
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
over Christmas and I was in 36 countries.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
The one thing that I've learned in all of those years where I've
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
traveled so much and worked with so many different people is that when you boil it
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
down,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
We are all just human beings living a human experience.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And how many hours do we sit and worry about what other
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
people think of us?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And then I always ask that question.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Do you actually sit and think of other people?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Because I don't.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
So why do we think other people sit and think about...
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
How important must you think you are that you think other people sit
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and think about you that much?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
So get back to the route to say,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
man, listen,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
let me think about me,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
how I can be the best person,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
how I can show up for people,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
how I can make this.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Whether it is my role,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
wherever my role takes me,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
whether it's in an interaction with a human being,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
how can I show up and make sure that this is a win -win
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
for everybody?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And that takes work.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And that takes courage.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Even in negotiations,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
when I go into a room...
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I know I'm going there and I want to do the best deal for my company.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And I know that person wants to do the best deal for his company.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
But if we show up with a true intention and we open about our
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
intentions and we negotiate on that basis,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know, this Club and Duggar stuff never,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know me,
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I never fall for that.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I call that up when I see it happen.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
That's when you get to the real value,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know, real value,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
not just in that individual interaction,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
but also.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
within that bigger interaction in the economy.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And so it's important that we start focusing on that,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
focusing on how do I show up and how do I bring myself and how
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I then take out the best for everybody in the room.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I love that,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Madeline.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I love it.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And 36 countries,
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that's pretty good going,
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I'd say.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Europe has a lot of countries.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
It does.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Now, question I do have,
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because I saw this morning on...
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
alchemy and on linkedin alex and sharon moving to dubai
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
which is exciting have you been to dubai did you work there madeleine yeah
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
yeah of course she's like i couldn't drive there which apparently now you
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
can but i was there in the 2001 2002
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
2003 did some work with uh with the mining sector
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and the building sector fascinating country i mean and i still go
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
through there sometimes when i travel back to south africa
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i think it's also quite big i did a lot of countries in africa and it's
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
an amazing to see the different cultures and it still just boils down to
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
this one thing we are all just humans yeah i'm just thinking
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
about to all our many conversations when you say the uk is so small why have you got all
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
these like
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
something's going on underneath i don't get it it's like yeah it's actually quite mad when you think
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
about it yeah for me it blew my mind when that when you said i'm a yorkshire
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
girl and the other one's well i'm an essex girl and i'm like well so all
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
of the uk can finish out there and i'm just from how thing so
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
now i'm just from the uk no i don't know this well apparently
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i'm from sutton i don't know what that means what is that i don't know
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
yeah um the south yeah well the whole north south divide we could get
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
on that on the uk but it is mad because ultimately yeah we are absolutely humans
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
whatever job title we've got whatever gender we go whatever color we are
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
all of that whatever box we decide to put ourselves in at the end of the day we're human
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
we've got rich history in every culture and
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
in every environment and if you slow down and just listen
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
to what people tell you learn so much i learn from everybody
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that i need
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know that i mean rachel you you are constantly
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
teaching me new things now well likewise i think that's when you take the hierarchy
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
stuff out isn't it that you're you see it as a human to human so we did have you
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
came to the round table that i hosted the other week and we had an interesting conversation about all the
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
different uh business models and nine box model
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and all of that stuff and then i think it was you wasn't it that said what can't we just have a human to
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
human conversation why are we gonna have all this
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
nonsense around us and there's so much gold in that I was
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
reflecting on that I was thinking why do we why do we have the need
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
to box people in or have conversations
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
about performance or have this hierarchy
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And it's because that gives us that
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
security.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
It's a false security.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
It's an absolute false security.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Anybody that works in any career is thinking,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
well, I've now got to that level.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Or who said that we have to climb the ladder in a certain way?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You know, I jump ladders all the time.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Also not that power -hungry requirement
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and that elevated feeling like I've done better than this
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
one because...
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You know, that is such nonsense.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Purpose in life doesn't come from,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know, when we all come to that last couple of days in our life,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I'm pretty sure none of us are going to think I'm great with it on the career ladder.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
It's funny to say,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
well, who's the people that came to my life?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Who's left a lasting impression on my life?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Who's made a difference?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
How did I make you feel,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know?
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And so I don't want to make people feel like,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
That was a painful,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
or a painful experience.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And sometimes I do,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
without knowing it,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because the other person,
19:49
S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I can't always take other people's level of maturity
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
or responsibility for,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
but I can take responsibility for showing up who I am and be
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
authentic.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
can be real and that might not always work with everybody
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
but that's okay you know i i i've got to take also sometimes
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you just got to walk away and say i did my best you know that the other
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
person will will still work on it it's so important and again i think you
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
taught me that the whole what can you control and what can't you control so we can control how we're
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
going to show up but we can't control how they're going to receive that that's their that's their
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
business
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i do remember when we were working together people like how are
20:30
S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you getting on with madeline i just don't how are you doing this how do you seem to have a bond
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
with her i'm like i don't know just be yourself it appears to work be yourself stop trying to put on a
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
veneer stop trying to do the bs and just yeah show up as yourself and
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
it would help and i think you saw that i walk away from the bs i
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
also walk you know i don't fall in the trap of hierarchy
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know so i really don't give you you know
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
nobody can impress me now more that that whole thing about oh i'm the chairman of the board
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
so what great you've got a job to be done how can i help
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you and it's about making when we start seeing each other
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
as just humans that that yeah i have got loads of respect
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
for other people they always have something to teach me and if you have
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
that genuine respect and that respect i will respect you as long
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
as i see that you are genuine and that you are here to do your job
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and i'm here to do my job you respect me i respect you but if i if i meet
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
people and i go
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Say, man,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I can't even get to a high C because this glass is going
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
to shatter.
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
They are so thin.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
The veneer is so thin.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Or that there is a power -hungry narcissistic behavior.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You know I'm going to call it out.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I don't shy away from difficult conversations.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And that's why people will ask me,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know, how do you get along with Madeline?
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Because I will always call people out when I get to know them
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
better and say,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you know,
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
this behavior that you...
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
But in a professional way,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I'll call people out and that might sometimes leave people uncomfortable.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And I think that's why you have that question so many times.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
You know I can make people feel uncomfortable if I feel like there is
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
work that they need to do.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
But sometimes I also choose not to do the work for them because not
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
everybody is ready.
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Interesting.
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
So how do you gauge?
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
like how much you're going to go in on this or not with people the rule of three all
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
right so can this person really make a connection is
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
there an understanding so so there is a genuine want or
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
need that we that we need to interact
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Two, are they open enough to give feedback?
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
The first thing I do,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and I know I've asked you many times,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
what about my leadership or what about my management irritates you?
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Remember, that was an ongoing conversation.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
Because if you invite feedback and a person is willing to give
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you feedback,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
they are as willing to take feedback.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
So if you're not willing to give me feedback,
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
then I know that you're not willing to take feedback.
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And then my third rule is...
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i want to build trust at that that at a deep level so
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
i'll share something real important
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
and i expect an equal share back if you're going to keep the conversation
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
at that
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
at that superficial level then you're not ready to go into
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
a trusting relationship and and even when i negotiate i negotiate
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
on those three principles as well can i get to that what is
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S… Speaker 3 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
your real needs can i can we get to that level of a trusted relationship rather
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S… Speaker 2 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
than a
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
superficial negotiation they're really sound uh sound principle
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
because yeah that whole thing with people not being ready and you and i have spoken
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
about this but i feel like you spoke to me in ways that i didn't
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
understand at the time because i feel like as i've developed in
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
the time we've known each other you've probably always been being the same and then i hear
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
you and i see you in different ways that i did five years ago like did you always
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
speak to me this way or was i just not away
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
And I think I just wasn't awake to it,
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I think.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I think I've grown also.
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S… Speaker 1 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
I've grown a lot in the last five years.
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S… Speaker 4 (23rd Apr - Episodes 7 Dr. Madeline Joubert)
That is true.

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