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All right, we're here with Caden.
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I'll give some context for the
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listeners and people interested in potentially investing in
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fuel cell energy.
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Long story short is I've been looking for the
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next plume energy for a couple of months and very,
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very intensively over the last month.
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And yesterday a subscriber sent me,
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a subscriber on X sent me your post on X and I read it and I was like,
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Holy shit.
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Holy shit.
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This is what I was looking for.
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
So the context is while I was looking at alternatives to bloom
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
basically I realized
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how much bigger this opportunity is to provide fuel cells to
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data centers than I thought.
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And I also realized how there really is no alternative to Bloom.
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And when I asked people for an alternative to Bloom,
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a couple of people obviously mentioned fuel cell,
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ticker F -C -E -L.
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But when I looked them up,
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basically I saw zero data center deals.
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I saw zero proof that they have real life demand.
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And this was very confusing to me.
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Because obviously, we all know that the gas turbines are sold out
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until 2030.
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So to me,
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my simple mindset is,
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every solution that is viable for data centers will be bought out.
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And then yesterday,
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some of your posts,
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and long story short,
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they're now getting,
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it looks like they're getting a real deal.
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And that's freaking exciting.
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It is,
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it is, it is.
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Yeah,
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S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
fuel cell yesterday,
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there was a government,
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there was a government filing actually hidden about a week ago in
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the Fairfax County government website.
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And that T5 had submitted this filing,
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and it's a 60 megawatt fuel cell yard with a total of 76
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megawatts of power in this data center.
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I had speculated over a week ago that I thought it could be fuel cell.
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t5 actually has a partnership with brookfield who had a partnership with bloom
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and so i eventually was like maybe it's not it could just be bloom next
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thing you know we go deeper into the filing they lay out some corrected plans and
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they're citing fuel cell energies investor materials their trinity
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site megawatt deployment um in the in the filing right
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and so they they're all but confirming that they're going to be using fuel cell energy
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for their fuel cells at this Fairfax site,
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which is their first ever data center site,
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fuel cells' first ever data center site.
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And it's an incredible validation point.
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T5 data centers is one of the largest data center operators in the world.
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And they've already deployed and operate over four gigawatts of data centers.
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So this stamp of approval is company defining.
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So I've never heard of T5,
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to be honest.
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The four gigawatts,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
they have deployed that much capacity.
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S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Yes, they're operating four gigawatts of data center capacity.
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Okay.
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I'm going to be super annoying.
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I want to verify every single step here because obviously people who look at
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the stock action of fuel cell energy will be very skeptical.
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So I want to be insanely nitpicky in this podcast
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and just go through...
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The dog is loving it.
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We're going to go through...
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She might be better off than that other...
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Okay, let's resume where we left off.
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Okay,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
so basically T5,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
they have deployed four gigawatts of
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capacity, so they're totally legit.
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They're in real life,
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what are they,
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an operator,
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or what exactly do they do?
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They're a data center operator,
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and so they are already managing four gigawatts,
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three to four gigawatts of capacity,
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of data center capacity.
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They have 22 data centers that they've developed.
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So we're talking about one of the biggest data
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center developers in the world putting a stamp of approval on a company
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that previously had not done anything with data centers,
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but obviously has a pipeline,
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as we know.
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Okay,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
so just for context,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Nebius currently plans to get to 4 gigawatts,
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and this company is already there today.
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And Nebius is a $40 billion company.
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Okay, so number one,
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this is a huge player and it seems like they picked Fuel Cell.
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Okay,
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
what was the source?
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
You said it was a government website.
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S… Speaker 3 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Can you describe that exactly?
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S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Yeah, so it's the Fairfax County government website where
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they go in and they send in the filings,
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all the different attachments they need to get approval for this data center.
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And so when you dig deep into their filings,
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you can see their proposed site layout,
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their letter to the actual county.
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You see they discuss fuel cells in detail,
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convincing the county that fuel cells...
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Fairfax is clearly one of the biggest emphasis is on community acceptance,
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right?
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And so your best way to get time to power and community acceptance
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is through fuel cells.
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Low emissions,
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low water usage.
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very low noise it's about the same sound as
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you and me talking in a quiet office that's what those fuel cells sound like from
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30 feet so they're incredibly quiet versus a nat gas turbine which
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is incredibly loud
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Yeah.
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So for context,
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for example,
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in the Nebius Vineland data center that was built
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by data one for Nebius,
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people complained about very,
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very loud noises from the gas turbines.
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So they said it was like obnoxious and crazy.
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So for people that think it's hard to imagine,
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like the noise is an actual problem for people that live.
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near those data centers and It really doesn't matter whether
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we care about it.
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This directly affects how quickly you can deploy So it's it's for
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if you want to deploy data centers for anyone to spend billions on them If
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you don't get the permits and you get social pushback,
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which is a huge challenge You're kind of screwed.
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So this matters.
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Okay, you won't be able to you won't be able to get the data set off the ground Yeah,
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it can kill the project.
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It'll kill your entire project,
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right? Yeah.
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Okay,
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so next question
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Who uploaded the documents?
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I know, I'm being silly here,
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but if I understand it correctly,
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S… Speaker 2 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
it was a lawyer representing T5.
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It is,
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correct.
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So the letter is a lawyer representing T5.
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It's unclear who uploaded the rest of the documents,
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but it is somebody on the T5 slash legal,
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either the legal team or the T5 team,
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uploading these documents for the approval of the Fairfax County
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site. And what I will note is that they have been working
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with the Fairfax County since at least February.
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So when you look at the actual site plans,
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there's two.
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There's one original and one corrected.
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The first one's dated in February,
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the next one's dated in March.
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So what that means is likely they went from,
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we're working with Fairfax,
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we're discussing plans,
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we're making sure there's no red tape,
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there's no deal breakers,
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right? In February, they amended that document in March.
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So Fairfax gave them feedback,
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they amended that document in March,
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right? And they made some changes,
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whatever that may be.
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So what that implies is they've been working with Fairfax County for at least three
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months.
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And so they have a kickstart on what that timeline should look like,
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which still is a bit unclear.
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I've had a follower recently reach out and tell me that the zoning approval comes
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within 30 days of filing,
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which would mean we'd get an approval for zoning within early
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June, which would be unbelievable.
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But that's the picture of what that filing looked like,
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who sent it in,
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and what's in those filings.
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okay gotcha and yesterday when I shared
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your post but only with subscribers and then I told them
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verify for yourself,
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I haven't checked it yet,
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if it's true or not.
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And a couple people were like,
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oh, I put it into Gemini,
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I put it into JGBT,
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it's not yet confirmed,
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it might be Bloom.
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No, I just want to say,
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no.
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In the filing,
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you can literally go to attachment and you see,
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not just the machines,
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you see the freaking logo of FuelCell.
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It's 100 % FuelCell.
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This is confirmed.
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They put not only their logo of like their investment.
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So they created,
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the reason why I figured this out is because I've looked at all of their investor presentations for
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quarters on end.
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And somebody sends me a photo of this slide and I
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go, where are you finding this?
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What investor presentation is this from?
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I don't recognize this slide.
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It's a little crazy of me that I can remember these slides,
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but I remember because I've been really on top of this company.
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I really believed in this story.
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And next thing you know,
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it's in a government filing.
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So they created this slide for this filing.
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which is showing they've previously gotten air permit permissions
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in Connecticut.
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And they're also citing in the filing,
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they're showing one of Fuel Cell's current deployments in
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Trinity.
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It is just clear as day.
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People aren't reading.
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It's kind of frustrating.
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I have people in my comments being like,
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it's Bloom Energy,
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the specs don't match.
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I'm like, the specs actually match perfectly.
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It's literally them.
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They match perfectly because...
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That's how I speculated this from the beginning.
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The specs matched perfectly.
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People are so skeptical.
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I also compared yesterday.
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People are so skeptical now in the age of AI slop.
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I understand.
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It's insane.
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People are so skeptical now that you can literally,
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like, the filing literally shows their logo.
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Like, nah,
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it's blue.
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You know,
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it's crazy.
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With AI, you should use it in your workflows.
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I'll make it quick.
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You should use it in your workflows,
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but you can't rely on it,
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right? And it's just unbelievable.
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Read for yourself.
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I beg of you guys.
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Just for a few minutes.
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You know, it's out there.
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Verify the actual company.
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Okay. Exactly.
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Okay.
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So this is maybe a weird start,
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but I think it's important for viewers to understand.
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Okay. This is why literally this company now
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appears on the fuel cell provider list.
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Like this is now one of two companies that
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is a public...
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U .S.
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listed provider of fuel cells that now has
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a confirmed,
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at least one or of course more,
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probably more orders from data centers.
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There's two companies.
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One of them is Bloom Energy,
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an 80 billion dollar company,
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and the other one is Fuel Cell Energy,
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F -C -E -L,
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a one -bill dollar company.
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So Bloom is 80 times bigger.
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Now I think it's good at this point to,
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now people get why we're interested.
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Now I think maybe we zoom out a little bit.
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Just really,
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really quick.
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It might be weird for you to understand.
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Why are we so freaking excited?
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Like, okay,
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okay, chill,
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guys. It's 16 megawatts.
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It's not that big of a deal.
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So I think what's worth mentioning here is that OpenAI alone,
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until 2030,
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they want to get to 100 gigawatts of capacity.
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Let's do a simplification here.
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Just assume all the hyperscalers and all the Frontier Labs together.
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Let's say they want to get to 500 gigawatts.
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And I personally would assume that 80 % of that will be for inference.
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So I think we're looking at 400 gigawatts for
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inference.
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And now,
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I don't know,
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what would you guess?
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Like how much of that can actually be supplied by the grid?
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I think there's such a grid backlog and also
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the regulatory concerns around using the grid that I believe you're
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going to see on -site power generation mandated for most data centers
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in the United States.
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Hasn't Trump already passed a similar law to that?
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A couple of days and weeks ago,
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there were many government pushes towards bring your own power.
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Have you looked into the exact details there?
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i'm not in the exact details but bring your own power is is the name of the
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game and it will be the name of the game for the next five years at the very
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minimum if you want to get a data set online you need to get to
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bring your own power it's that simple you cannot just use the grid for your for your power so
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if you if we assume you need an additional 400
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gigawatts again for people to compare this one gigawatt is roughly one
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nuclear power plant so we're looking at in the next 3 .5 years
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400 nuclear power plants of power for data centers.
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I mean,
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this is fucking mind blowing.
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This is unheard of.
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The only country in the world that kind of understands these dimensions is probably China with solar,
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but that's a different story.
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We're not there yet.
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So how much would we estimate of that will be
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coming from bring -your -own -power solutions?
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I'd say at least half,
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right? Okay,
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I'd say half.
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So we're now at 200 gigawatts for inference over
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the next 3 .5 years.
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Now,
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if we go through the solutions,
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okay,
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again,
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this is for inference.
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This is not for training.
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This is not just for inference.
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And for inference,
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proximity to your end user is quite important.
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I think,
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Caden, are you pro or anti -nuclear in general?
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I'm pro -nuclear,
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for sure.
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I think there's a lot of very promising
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developments in nuclear,
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but we're very far away.
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Yeah,
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me too.
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Now,
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we're both pro -nuclear.
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Would you want to live close to a nuclear power plant?
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I wouldn't.
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This is the problem with nuclear.
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Everybody that is pro -nuclear,
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us included,
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does...
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Nucleus aren't those things,
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it's great, but not in my backyard,
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right? Exactly.
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So this is an issue.
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And now,
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if you look at, and again,
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Nebius followers will be very on top of how big of an issue this is in
13:30
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Vineland.
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with the Data1 data center.
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If you look at the pushback data centers are getting for fake
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reasons like water usage,
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which is basically zero,
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like it's a giant meme on X right now,
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but it still creates so much pushback.
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And now the gas turbines and the emissions.
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Now imagine the pushback if somebody wants to make a freaking nuclear power plant,
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even if it's a small one from,
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let's say, OCLO or SMR or whatever.
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Like,
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you don't want that in your neighborhood.
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So I think nuclear,
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because inference data centers,
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have to be as close as possible to the end users i think nuclear is honestly
14:02
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not as good of a solution as people might think even if it's from
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a physics point of view makes sense so the next option would of course be gas turbines
14:11
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next problem sold out until 2030 and
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it's 2032 at this point yeah so they're sold out they
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are very popular because they're
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on a price per megawatt they're i think the most efficient if
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i understand it correctly but the problem is they're fucking dirty you're literally
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burning gas like yeah so it's
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very bad and you need air permits and the air permits can often lead to delays of 6
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to 18 months and again getting the air permits is a big problem especially
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when you're close to people if you're doing it somewhere in texas
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i'm sure people don't really give a shit but if you're doing it
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In an industrial data center,
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close a lot of people,
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people do care.
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And again,
14:55
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what you mentioned as well,
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the noise.
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So that's a problem.
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We saw with Nebius,
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now they had to switch from that.
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They just switched from gas turbines to
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fuel cells from Bloom.
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And they probably paid a fucking fortune.
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Like it's like 2 .8 billion something over 10 years.
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Product plus services,
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2 .7 billion.
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I mean,
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that's a shit ton of money.
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But that's how much it's like,
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okay. So next solution would be solar and wind,
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basically renewables,
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plus batteries.
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What's your take on that?
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You know,
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it's possibly a solid option,
15:33
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but I don't find it to be nearly as competitive or as compelling as
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fuel cells or even that gas turbines,
15:40
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honestly.
15:40
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I think,
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again, we'll talk about fuel cell in a minute,
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but fuel cells also get paired with battery energy storage systems.
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I do believe that we don't have the same solar technology and
15:55
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also the scale of China,
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and so it's not as viable of an option.
15:59
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Our whole solar ecosystem is underdeveloped,
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and it takes many,
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many years to develop that ecosystem to support the scale of the
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data center deployments we're going to see over the next three to five years.
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I think there's probably a lot of money to be made in the
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best names like EOS,
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Fluency,
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T1,
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all of them have gotten a lot of hype on X.
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And I think all of them have their place and the reality is we need as much as we can.
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But this will help us
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with a few gigawatts,
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right?
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And the second thing is...
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I don't think there is reliable,
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if you need 24 -7 stable energy.
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In some places,
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you don't have wind.
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In some places,
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you don't have enough sun.
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Throw wind out of the window.
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Throw wind out of the window.
16:52
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Wind is not even a viable option for data centers.
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We could throw that one out.
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Trump hates wind anyways for whatever reason.
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And he hates solar.
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I won't be very pro -solar,
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but anyways, he is who he is and he hates it.
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The other problem is
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that, of course, you need way more land.
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Right way you need way more space.
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I mean,
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that's okay.
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It's ignore wind But I think there's all smart people who are like massive supporters of
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solar including Elon But how if you have like a tight space like
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how are you gonna power it with solar like yeah?
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So basically we're left to like like a hundred
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I think it's a small fraction of in terms of megawatts
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per acre with solar that you're getting from fuel cells like a
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small fraction
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Fuel cells are that much more efficient in space,
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right?
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It's unbelievable.
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So I think we can agree that all of these things have their
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place when it comes to taking pressure
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from the grid.
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The grid itself,
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of course, should be expanded.
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Nuclear power plants have their place for training and maybe also for inference in some places.
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Overall, it seems like the best solution is fuel cells.
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If you look at the stock price of Bloom Energy,
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the market seems to go fucking crazy for it.
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The stock is up like 1 ,400 % in one year because people are paying
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it forward massively because people that research this
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understand, oh shit,
18:20
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this is where we're going.
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We also see this recently kind of verified with Oracle
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S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
switching in a big data center for five gigawatts.
18:33
S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
How much was it?
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I think it was their Arizona data center.
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S… Speaker 2 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
They switched from NatGas turbines to Bloom Energy's fuel cells.
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I think it was 1 .4 gigawatts in that specific site.
18:44
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How long ago was that?
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Less than four weeks ago.
18:49
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Okay.
18:50
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So one month ago,
18:51
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we see Oracle switching from NatGas turbines.
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to fuel cells.
18:55
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Now, we just saw Nebios yesterday.
18:57
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Was it yesterday?
18:58
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One or two days ago.
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Oh, it was yesterday.
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Yeah, I don't sleep enough.
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It was in the morning.
19:04
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It was in the morning.
19:04
S… Speaker 1 (aa60409d62966435d062835ddb2ef5ba9e2ca325)
Yeah, but basically,
19:05
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yesterday Nebios announces,
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and a lot of people in the Nebios community have correctly guessed this for a while
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before it happened, that they will also switch from natural gas to fuel cells.
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So this trend here...
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It makes sense logically and we see it now verified,

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